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Star Wars Episode VIII - The Last Jedi (TÓPICO OFICIAL)

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Bom, acho que vocês se lembram de Chuck "The Cuck" Wendig, autor de Star Wars: Aftermath, esculachando os fãs da franquia por conta de The Last Jedi, correto? Pois bem... vingança é um prato que se come frio. :viraolho






Demorou um pouco, Chuck, mas finalmente você vai aprender a lição: quem lacra, não lucra. :kclassic
 
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Bom, acho que vocês se lembram de Chuck "The Cuck" Wendig, autor de Star Wars: Aftermath, esculachando os fãs da franquia por conta de The Last Jedi, correto? Pois bem... vingança é um prato que se come frio. :viraolho






Demorou um pouco, Chuck, mas finalmente você vai aprender a lição: quem lacra, não lucra. :kclassic


Desculpa minha ignorância mas pode traduzir?
 

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Bom, o pequeno Chuck é autor de Star Wars - Aftermath e, há tempos, tem sido bastante hostil com os fãs que não gostaram de The Last Jedi. Ele, bem como boa parte dos outros que vivem fazendo damage control para o filme, é um seguidor inveterado da famigerada agenda progressista, conforme ele faz questão de deixar bem claro em diversas de suas postagens no Twitter.

Pois bem, Chuck tinha sido contratado pela Marvel para roteirizar uma HQ do Vader e uma outra que nem sequer havia sido anunciada ainda. Acontece que Chuck decidiu lacrar com Star Wars e, ainda em Aftermath, ele começou a incluir "elementos" em suas histórias, apenas para dar destaque à sua agenda ideológica. Obviamente isso não agradou parte da base de fãs, que não hesitou em criticá-lo. Já naquela época, ele fazia o que fez em relação aos fãs de The Last Jedi: partiu para a hostilização, chamando os fãs de racistas, homofóbicos, misóginos, etc., etc., etc....

Após a Marvel contratá-lo, os fãs finalmente foram à forra, mostrando a toxicidade de Chuck no Twitter e isso acabou levando-o à demissão, pouco depois de ter sido contratado. E foi o próprio Chuck quem admitiu tal fato, inclusive.


'Star Wars' Comic Writer Says Marvel Fired Him for Social Media Behavior
Chuck Wendig says he was removed from the 'Shadow of Vader' series, with two issues left unwritten, over the "negativity and vulgarity" his tweets bring

chuck_wendig_-_getty_-_h_2018.jpg

Chuck Wendig, the New York Times best-selling author of the Star Wars: Aftermathseries of novels, has been fired by Marvel Entertainment, he said on Twitter Friday. That leaves the future of numerous previously announced Star Wars projects, that Wendig was attached to, uncertain as a result.

In a series of tweets, Wendig — who was working on both the five-issue Shadow of Vader miniseries and an additional, currently unannounced, Star Wars series for the publisher — revealed that he had been fired by Marvel in the middle of his work on the titles because, in his words, "of the negativity and vulgarity that my tweets bring. Seriously, that’s what Mark [Paniccia], the editor said. It was too much vulgarity, too much negativity on my part."

Previously, Wendig had written Hyperion and an adaptation of Star Wars: The Force Awakens for Marvel.

Wendig has been outspoken about his liberal political views on Twitter. On Oct. 7, he drew the attention of well-known conservative personalities, such as Ben Shapiro and filmmaker Dinesh D'Souza, with a series of tweets surrounding the confirmation of Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, who had been accused of sexual assault. In one tweet, which he later deleted because he said it had become a "funnel for harassment," he wrote, "Winter is coming, you callous fucknecks, you prolapsed assholes, you grotesque monsters, you racists and rapists and wretched abusers, you vengeful petty horrors."

Wendig's firing comes three months after Marvel parent company Disney fired James Gunn as director of Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 over old, offensive tweets that had been resurfaced by conservative personalities.

Wendig is no stranger to controversy within Star Wars fandom, with the writer being targeted by a vocal minority after introducing one of the franchise’s first canonically gay characters in his 2015 novel, Star Wars: Aftermath. His outspoken response to that pushback — calling those that complained "the shitty, oppressive, totalitarian Empire" — combined with his openness about discussing real-world politics on social media, made him a lightning rod within the more conservative elements of the property’s fan base.

Marvel’s removal of Wendig comes a month after the publisher canceled The Vision, a six-issue miniseries, two months ahead of launch, with the creative team — which included another best-selling novelist, Chelsea Cain — only getting a few days’ notice and little explanation as to why, beyond a change in publishing plans surrounding the characters being used in the series. Notably, Cain is as vocal about her politics, and equally visible as a target for right-wing trolls on social media, as Wendig — although that was not given as a reason for the series’ surprise cancellation.

Marvel Entertainment declined to comment.


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Bom, o pequeno Chuck é autor de Star Wars - Aftermath e, há tempos, tem sido bastante hostil com os fãs que não gostaram de The Last Jedi. Ele, bem como boa parte dos outros que vivem fazendo damage control para o filme, é um seguidor inveterado da famigerada agenda progressista, conforme ele faz questão de deixar bem claro em diversas de suas postagens no Twitter.

Pois bem, Chuck tinha sido contratado pela Marvel para roteirizar uma HQ do Vader e uma outra que nem sequer havia sido anunciada ainda. Acontece que Chuck decidiu lacrar com Star Wars e, ainda em Aftermath, ele começou a incluir "elementos" em suas histórias, apenas para dar destaque à sua agenda ideológica. Obviamente isso não agradou parte da base de fãs, que não hesitou em criticá-lo. Já naquela época, ele fazia o que fez em relação aos fãs de The Last Jedi: partiu para a hostilização, chamando os fãs de racistas, homofóbicos, misóginos, etc., etc., etc....

Após a Marvel contratá-lo, os fãs finalmente foram à forra, mostrando a toxicidade de Chuck no Twitter e isso acabou levando-o à demissão, pouco depois de ter sido contratado. E foi o próprio Chuck quem admitiu tal fato, inclusive.


'Star Wars' Comic Writer Says Marvel Fired Him for Social Media Behavior
Chuck Wendig says he was removed from the 'Shadow of Vader' series, with two issues left unwritten, over the "negativity and vulgarity" his tweets bring

chuck_wendig_-_getty_-_h_2018.jpg

Chuck Wendig, the New York Times best-selling author of the Star Wars: Aftermathseries of novels, has been fired by Marvel Entertainment, he said on Twitter Friday. That leaves the future of numerous previously announced Star Wars projects, that Wendig was attached to, uncertain as a result.

In a series of tweets, Wendig — who was working on both the five-issue Shadow of Vader miniseries and an additional, currently unannounced, Star Wars series for the publisher — revealed that he had been fired by Marvel in the middle of his work on the titles because, in his words, "of the negativity and vulgarity that my tweets bring. Seriously, that’s what Mark [Paniccia], the editor said. It was too much vulgarity, too much negativity on my part."

Previously, Wendig had written Hyperion and an adaptation of Star Wars: The Force Awakens for Marvel.

Wendig has been outspoken about his liberal political views on Twitter. On Oct. 7, he drew the attention of well-known conservative personalities, such as Ben Shapiro and filmmaker Dinesh D'Souza, with a series of tweets surrounding the confirmation of Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, who had been accused of sexual assault. In one tweet, which he later deleted because he said it had become a "funnel for harassment," he wrote, "Winter is coming, you callous fucknecks, you prolapsed assholes, you grotesque monsters, you racists and rapists and wretched abusers, you vengeful petty horrors."

Wendig's firing comes three months after Marvel parent company Disney fired James Gunn as director of Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 over old, offensive tweets that had been resurfaced by conservative personalities.

Wendig is no stranger to controversy within Star Wars fandom, with the writer being targeted by a vocal minority after introducing one of the franchise’s first canonically gay characters in his 2015 novel, Star Wars: Aftermath. His outspoken response to that pushback — calling those that complained "the shitty, oppressive, totalitarian Empire" — combined with his openness about discussing real-world politics on social media, made him a lightning rod within the more conservative elements of the property’s fan base.

Marvel’s removal of Wendig comes a month after the publisher canceled The Vision, a six-issue miniseries, two months ahead of launch, with the creative team — which included another best-selling novelist, Chelsea Cain — only getting a few days’ notice and little explanation as to why, beyond a change in publishing plans surrounding the characters being used in the series. Notably, Cain is as vocal about her politics, and equally visible as a target for right-wing trolls on social media, as Wendig — although that was not given as a reason for the series’ surprise cancellation.

Marvel Entertainment declined to comment.


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A Marvel é esperta, e filtra rapidamente para fora quem está afim de promover agendinhas ao invés de conseguir leitores. Eis uma empresa que vai longe.
 

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A Marvel é esperta, e filtra rapidamente para fora quem está afim de promover agendinhas ao invés de conseguir leitores. Eis uma empresa que vai longe.
No tópico "Quem Lacra Nao Lucra" (sempre atualizado), se comenta como a Marvel perdeu vendas e tá suando pra recuperar depois de uns 10 anos lacrando pesado.

Deu alguma mudança lá e esse ano, finalmente entenderam onde estavam errando e estão tentando ganhar a posição perdida.

Provavelmente a demissão foi nessa onda.

Não tem jeito, a maioria dos leitores de quadrinhos é mais pro lado azul da força, afinal, acompanhar um cara que bate em criminosos ou usa as cores da bandeira americana não é algo muito vermelho de se fazer.
 

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A mesma equipe que remasterizou o primeiro filme em 4K vão remasterizar o terceiro:

 


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Acho que contando as versões especiais oficias a as feitas por fãs SW deve ter umas 15 versões pra trilogia original, é tipo Skyrim, vários remakes e mods rolando o tempo todo :ksafado. Isso sem contar a porrada de fan films com história própria ou baseados em livros.



Falando em livros, esses dias lendo um deles teve uma cena que teve algo que com o tempo pode acabar se tornando realidade, o Luke vai com o grupo dele para uma biblioteca Chiss, lá dentor o Jacen (sobrinho dele agora com uns 20 anos) nota que a bibilioteca é muito grande, e que tem uns "tijolos" numas prateleiras, ele acha que esses "tijolos" são algum tipo de equipamento ultra seguro de armazenamento de dados, mas quando a militar responsável pela biblioteca pega e abre um desses "tjolos" ele se toca que na verdade são livros, coisa que já é tão antiga e incomum no universo de SW que ele até demorou pra reconhecer :kkk:kkk
 

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Mark Hamill confirms Luke will return in Star Wars: Episode IX

Star Wars: Episode IX has some big shoes to fill after following the controversial hit The Last Jedi, but J.J. Abrams' return to the series will have plenty of support from one series mainstay: Mark Hamill. That's right, Luke Skywalker himself is appearing in the new film after disappearing into Force dust at the end of the previous film.

Other than that? Well, we just don't know yet, which the actor made sure of when he broke the news on Twitter. Check it out:



The Force Ghost with the most will possibly provide guidance and lectures just like ol' Obi-Wan Kenobi did back in the day, completing the training cycle and giving full closure to one of the series' greatest heroes. We'd known that Hamill would likely appear after his name showed up alongside Anthony Daniels', Billy Dee Williams', and the late Carrie Fisher's on the returning cast list.

This also feeds into the theory that Abrams might be softening some of director Rian Johnson's creative decisions in the previous film — though even the power of Bad Robot can't bring people back from the dead.


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Finjam estar empolgados, por favor. :klol
 

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Mark Hamill confirms Luke will return in Star Wars: Episode IX

Star Wars: Episode IX has some big shoes to fill after following the controversial hit The Last Jedi, but J.J. Abrams' return to the series will have plenty of support from one series mainstay: Mark Hamill. That's right, Luke Skywalker himself is appearing in the new film after disappearing into Force dust at the end of the previous film.

Other than that? Well, we just don't know yet, which the actor made sure of when he broke the news on Twitter. Check it out:



The Force Ghost with the most will possibly provide guidance and lectures just like ol' Obi-Wan Kenobi did back in the day, completing the training cycle and giving full closure to one of the series' greatest heroes. We'd known that Hamill would likely appear after his name showed up alongside Anthony Daniels', Billy Dee Williams', and the late Carrie Fisher's on the returning cast list.

This also feeds into the theory that Abrams might be softening some of director Rian Johnson's creative decisions in the previous film — though even the power of Bad Robot can't bring people back from the dead.


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Finjam estar empolgados, por favor. :klol

Meu deus, como estou empolgado, eu sabiam que Luke não havia morrido, J.J. Abrahms, o cara que veio de séries e filmes cheios de promessas e com péssimos finais, criou uma trilogia sem plano central, tratou todas as reclamações de fãs sobre o filme dele como hate gratuito e ficou do lado de Rian Johnson após ele afundar a franquia agora vai consertar ela, mostrando que, talvez, Luke esteja vivo!!!

Que incrivel, decidi ir ver o filme no cinema e dar meu dinheiro pra Disney.
 

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Meu deus, como estou empolgado, eu sabiam que Luke não havia morrido, J.J. Abrahms, o cara que veio de séries e filmes cheios de promessas e com péssimos finais, criou uma trilogia sem plano central, tratou todas as reclamações de fãs sobre o filme dele como hate gratuito e ficou do lado de Rian Johnson após ele afundar a franquia agora vai consertar ela, mostrando que, talvez, Luke esteja vivo!!!

Que incrivel, decidi ir ver o filme no cinema e dar meu dinheiro pra Disney.

Pois é, selo Entei "tá tudo bem agora" pra SW. Não deram uma razão decente pra queda do Luke, nem mostraram essa queda, aí agora ele volta nivel obi-wan "vou ajudar geral a vencer o mal"... Sem ordem jedi, sem desenvolvimento real do universo dos filmes, e sem nenhuma cena dos personagens originais trabalhando juntos nos filmes novos, put* m****... E ainda tem uns rumores de que pode rolar uma aparição do Palpatine... traz logo todo mundo, faz o conselho jedi todo aparecer tbm.

Enquanto isso no antigo UE eles estavam sempre agindo como um time, que recebeu mais personagens, fora todo o desenvolvimento da relações entre eles e entre eles e os novos personagens. É legal pra c***lho vc ler nos livros as cenas em que Leia e Han não só agem como um casal mas como parceiros de batalha, quando o Luke se junta a eles, ou quando eles trabalham juntos com os filhos. Rola até umas cenas cômicas por causa dessas coisas, tipo o Han puto pq um dos filhos forçou demais a Falcon ou com ciúmes bobo por que a filha está namorando, ele ainda manda um "Pelo menos ele tem bom gosto..." sobre o cara :ksafado. Enquanto isso os novos filmes só sabem é forçar fan-service com cenas copiadas de forma barata "OLHA VCS LEMBRAM DISSO? VCS SE LEMBRAM DESSA CENA NOS FILMES ORIGINAIS? ENTÃO, NÓS REFIZEMOS! UAUUUUUUUU!"
 

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Pois é, selo Entei "tá tudo bem agora" pra SW. Não deram uma razão decente pra queda do Luke, nem mostraram essa queda, aí agora ele volta nivel obi-wan "vou ajudar geral a vencer o mal"... Sem ordem jedi, sem desenvolvimento real do universo dos filmes, e sem nenhuma cena dos personagens originais trabalhando juntos nos filmes novos, put* m****... E ainda tem uns rumores de que pode rolar uma aparição do Palpatine... traz logo todo mundo, faz o conselho jedi todo aparecer tbm.

Enquanto isso no antigo UE eles estavam sempre agindo como um time, que recebeu mais personagens, fora todo o desenvolvimento da relações entre eles e entre eles e os novos personagens. É legal pra c***lho vc ler nos livros as cenas em que Leia e Han não só agem como um casal mas como parceiros de batalha, quando o Luke se junta a eles, ou quando eles trabalham juntos com os filhos. Rola até umas cenas cômicas por causa dessas coisas, tipo o Han puto pq um dos filhos forçou demais a Falcon ou com ciúmes bobo por que a filha está namorando, ele ainda manda um "Pelo menos ele tem bom gosto..." sobre o cara :ksafado. Enquanto isso os novos filmes só sabem é forçar fan-service com cenas copiadas de forma barata "OLHA VCS LEMBRAM DISSO? VCS SE LEMBRAM DESSA CENA NOS FILMES ORIGINAIS? ENTÃO, NÓS REFIZEMOS! UAUUUUUUUU!"
Você não entendeu.
Estão destruindo Star Wars e isso é uma boa coisa.

De tanto usarem "Algo negativo + e isso é uma boa coisa" já tô lendo isso num monte de textos (em inglês) até nem relacionado a SW.
 

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Mark Hamill on What Killed Luke Skywalker in Star Wars: The Last Jedi

Mark Hamill has said that the Force killed Luke Skywalker at the end of The Last Jedi, likening Luke to a drug addict that overdoses after going clean for decades.

Hamill said this in a tweet that includes frames from Gary Whitta’s The Last Jedi comic book adaptation of the film, showing Luke’s final moments after using a force projection from Ahch-To.



Hamill has gone on record discussing the weirdly tragic trajectory of Luke Skywalker, and has also revealed the ending to what George Lucas’ Star Wars: Episode IX would have been.

Hamill recently reconfirmed that he would appear in Episode IX, though he had previously noted that he didn’t care about returning to Star Wars following the death of Carrie Fischer.


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Sabe, tanta m**** sendo feita, que ao invés de eu ficar com raiva da trilogia camundongo, já estou começando a descurtir toda a trilogia.

Não é que eu quero descurtir, mas acaba que a ruindade ultrapassa o que a Disney fez.
 

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Sabe, tanta m**** sendo feita, que ao invés de eu ficar com raiva da trilogia camundongo, já estou começando a descurtir toda a trilogia.

Não é que eu quero descurtir, mas acaba que a ruindade ultrapassa o que a Disney fez.

Ignore o que foi feito pra SW depois da compra pela Disney e pronto, eu continuo não tendo problema nenhum com a trilogia original pq tenho como canon o que foi criado na era pré-disney, então esse bando de merdas criadas atualmente não influencia em nada. Mesmo a trilogia prequel que é toda zoada ainda dá pra tirar proveito. Sei que vc está sem tempo, mas quando conseguir tempo pra ler os livros antigos vai ficar mais fácil de esquecer o atual canon e focar no que é legal do antigo.
 

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Eu li muita coisa em 2000-2001, mas fora de ordem, exceto pela trilogia Trawn.

De repente você me indicam uma ordem e alguns livros?
 

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No tópico "Quem Lacra Nao Lucra" (sempre atualizado), se comenta como a Marvel perdeu vendas e tá suando pra recuperar depois de uns 10 anos lacrando pesado.

Deu alguma mudança lá e esse ano, finalmente entenderam onde estavam errando e estão tentando ganhar a posição perdida.

Provavelmente a demissão foi nessa onda.

Não tem jeito, a maioria dos leitores de quadrinhos é mais pro lado azul da força, afinal, acompanhar um cara que bate em criminosos ou usa as cores da bandeira americana não é algo muito vermelho de se fazer.
Na verdade nos eua isso acontece sim....
Porque lá os conservadores são vermelhos e os democratas são azuis [emoji1]

Enviado de meu LG-K350 usando Tapatalk
 

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Eu li muita coisa em 2000-2001, mas fora de ordem, exceto pela trilogia Trawn.

De repente você me indicam uma ordem e alguns livros?

Acho que depende do que vc quer.

Uma "saga" que não lí mas que sei os evetos centrais é a da série de livros X-Wing, trata muito dos primeiros anos pós Endor, a luta contra warlords imperiais antes do Thrawn, estou pensando em ler esses pois sempre ouvi falar bem, fora que envolve o Rogue Squadron e o Wedge Antilles, então é coisa legal. Os Rogues estão sempre metidos nas principais batalhas, e o Wedge é um personagem que gosto e que ganhou bastante histórias no UE.

Depois disso viria a Trilogia de Thrawn que vc já leu, e que é meio que um pilar pra tudo que veio depois

Aí logo depois tem a saga Dark Empire, que trata da volta do Palpatine como um clone, essa nunca me interessou muito, mas tem gente que gosta, e parece ter umas batalhas legais tbm, fora que tem vários modelos de naves "famosos" na lore que vem dessa saga.

Tem os livros da saga Jedi Academy, não conheço muito, conheço mais pelos jogos, sei que envolve o início da ordem jedi do Luke.

Depois vem a duologia de Thrawn, se passa 10 anos depois da trilogia, é legal que envolve mais sobre os Chiss (povo o Thrawn) e tem o Luke e a Mara trabalhando juntos, fora que é a resolução da guerra civil.

Depois disso tem a série "Young Jedi Knights" que segue o treinamento jedi de Jaina e Jacen (e alguns outros personagens) dos 13 aos 16 anos com o Luke no templo de Yavin IV, são novels mais leves e mais fracas que as outras pois são voltadas pro publico pré-adolescente, tem algumas coisas legais, já que os livros visitam alguns planetas interessantes como Dathomir, Hapes e Ryloth (a versão dos livros é bem mais legal que a de Clone Wars, o planeta é bem "alien"), esses eu li meio que pra conhecer mais a Jaina e o Jacen pra depois ir pra saga New Jedi Order, mas não são livros indispensáveis, alguns eventos deles são mensionados na saga NJO, mas nada que faça falta conhecer, talvez mais a proximidade entre o Jacen e a Tenel-Ka e coisas em Hapes que são mencionadas num arco da Jaina em Hapes durante a NJO.

Depois disso entra direto a saga New Jedi Order (se não me engano a maior saga de livros de SW) que é a que estou relendo atualmente, que veio pra sacudir a história de SW, mudar estruturas e alianças políticas, matar vários personagens (incluindo personagens centrais), introduzir novos (Jagged Fell e Dani Quee), reestruturar a ordem jedi, o império, a nova república e principalmente amadurecer e trazer pro centro da história a Jaina e o Jacen Solo, de início Luke, Leia e Han ainda tem um papel mais "alto" do que eles, mas conforme a saga evolui os "Solo Twins" se tornam cada vez mais o centro da narrativa, "e isso é uma coisa boa" (trollando os sites atuais hauhauahau), mas nesse caso é boa mesmo pois é legal ver a evolução dos dois. Tem gente que acha os Yuuzhan Vong inimigos meio exagerados e que vem de algo muito utilizado em Sci-fi, "inimigos vindos de fora da galáxia", mas achei uma boa quebra, estava ficando demais no imperio/dark jedi/sith como inimigos, essa invasão deu uma mudada, fora que eles criam toda uma cultura pros YV, e tem uns personagens legais como "vilões", além de ser uma saga com várias batalhas, entre elas as maiores da história de SW, é guerra total por sobrevivência.

Depois vem coisas que ainda não li mas conheço e tenho vontade de ler, como a trilogia Swarm War e a saga Legacy of the Force.


Agora se quer algo mais "solto" pode tentar livros como Outbound Flight (se passa pouco depois do ep 1 e tem relação com a trilogia de Thrawn), Choices of One (se passa entre os ep 4 e 5, Mara Jade como protagonista, esse consegui comprar mesmo não tendo edição br) e talvez tbm o livro Shadows of the Empire (se passa entre os ep 5 e 6, se não me engano foca bastante no Vader)


Fora outras coisas que são sempre citadas como a trilogia Darth Bane e o livro do Darth Plagueis, mas essas são ainda antes do ep 1.

Desses livros todos a maioria não tem versão br, então se vc gosta de ler em livros e não em pdf/word vai ser meio complicado, eu acabei tendo que baixar a maioria dos que li.
 

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Saiu em 1080p e 4K do Return of Jedi, deste projeto da TeamNegative1

1080p: 38GB
2160p: 69GB
 

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Mark Hamill on What Killed Luke Skywalker in Star Wars: The Last Jedi

Mark Hamill has said that the Force killed Luke Skywalker at the end of The Last Jedi, likening Luke to a drug addict that overdoses after going clean for decades.

Hamill said this in a tweet that includes frames from Gary Whitta’s The Last Jedi comic book adaptation of the film, showing Luke’s final moments after using a force projection from Ahch-To.



Hamill has gone on record discussing the weirdly tragic trajectory of Luke Skywalker, and has also revealed the ending to what George Lucas’ Star Wars: Episode IX would have been.

Hamill recently reconfirmed that he would appear in Episode IX, though he had previously noted that he didn’t care about returning to Star Wars following the death of Carrie Fischer.


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Não pode ser sério.

Não acredito que o Hamill aceita um absurdo desses.

c***lho.
 

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Compositor de Star Wars e Harry Potter se afasta de concertos devido a doença

O compositor John Williams, reconhecido por conduzir as incríveis trilhas sonoras de clássicos como ET, Jaws, Star Wars, Indiana Jones e Harry Potter, foi internado em Londres, aos 86 anos, por conta de uma enfermidade.

De acordo com a BBC, o músico sofreu um mal súbito que fez com que sua participação no concerto da Orquestra Sinfônica de Londres no Royal Albert Hall, que aconteceu na na sexta-feira (26), fosse cancelada. Ele foi substituído pelo maestro Dirk Brossé.


Apesar de não ter especificado a doença do músico, o empresário de Williams divulgou a seguinte declaração:

“John sente muito por essa doença o impedir de conduzir o concerto de sexta-feira, e ele está grato ao seu amigo, o maestro Dirk Brossé, por assumir o pódio em seu lugar. Ele deseja estar com todos, e ele reconhece que 5.000 amigos seus estarem se juntando para celebrar sua música é um grande converto enquanto ele se recupera. Ele deseja a todos uma noite muito alegre de música”. O compositor também conduziria a Orquestra Filarmônica de Viena em novembro, mas as apresentações foram canceladas.

John Williams foi responsável pelas trilhas de todos os filmes Star Wars, incluindo o mais recente, Os Últimos Jedi. Ele também será responsável pelas composições de Star Wars - Episódio 9.
 

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Ví isso sobre o John Williams, complicado.



Caso ainda pense em ir atrás de alguns livros @Goris esse vídeo tem um "break down" sobre uma frota criada em um dos livros X-Wing, frota comandada pelo Han:



E esse mostra a formação e as fases da frota da NR caso alguém queira ver como isso evoluiu nas histórias antigas, bem diferente do que temos agora...


Muito mais conflitos, o que combina mais com o estilo space ópera.
 

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Eu sigo o Eckhart sempre que posso, vou conferir esse aí.

Valeu.
 

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Eu li muita coisa em 2000-2001, mas fora de ordem, exceto pela trilogia Trawn.

De repente você me indicam uma ordem e alguns livros?

O negocio é partir escrever fanfic e usar a imaginação

Esquecer que a nova trilogia existe
 

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Compositor de Star Wars e Harry Potter se afasta de concertos devido a doença

O compositor John Williams, reconhecido por conduzir as incríveis trilhas sonoras de clássicos como ET, Jaws, Star Wars, Indiana Jones e Harry Potter, foi internado em Londres, aos 86 anos, por conta de uma enfermidade.

De acordo com a BBC, o músico sofreu um mal súbito que fez com que sua participação no concerto da Orquestra Sinfônica de Londres no Royal Albert Hall, que aconteceu na na sexta-feira (26), fosse cancelada. Ele foi substituído pelo maestro Dirk Brossé.


Apesar de não ter especificado a doença do músico, o empresário de Williams divulgou a seguinte declaração:

“John sente muito por essa doença o impedir de conduzir o concerto de sexta-feira, e ele está grato ao seu amigo, o maestro Dirk Brossé, por assumir o pódio em seu lugar. Ele deseja estar com todos, e ele reconhece que 5.000 amigos seus estarem se juntando para celebrar sua música é um grande converto enquanto ele se recupera. Ele deseja a todos uma noite muito alegre de música”. O compositor também conduziria a Orquestra Filarmônica de Viena em novembro, mas as apresentações foram canceladas.

John Williams foi responsável pelas trilhas de todos os filmes Star Wars, incluindo o mais recente, Os Últimos Jedi. Ele também será responsável pelas composições de Star Wars - Episódio 9.

Agora é passar o bastão pro compositor do Rogue One, juro que achei que era o John pela semelhança audível.
 

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S04E26 - Agora vamos dizer que a culpa foi dos trailers e que se foda se ninguém acreditar!!!


The Last Jedi's Trailers Created The Star Wars Backlash

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Did Star Wars: The Last Jedi's trailers and marketing help create the movie's backlash? The Star Wars fan divide has never been bigger, and it's mostly blamed on the release and surrounding decisions Lucasfilm made with Episode VIII. But could Disney have released the exact same movie to a much more accepting audience if they'd only marketed it better?

Rian Johnson's entry in the Skywalker Saga upended many of the open-ended questions established by J.J. Abrams in Star Wars: The Force Awakens, revealing Luke was a cut-off hermit, Rey's parents were nobodies, the Knights of Ren a side note, and making former leads Poe and Finn into supporting failures. Throw in shock deaths for Snoke and Luke, Leia using the Force to fly through space, a heavy leaning into bathos, and a prequel-esque jaunt in Canto Bight, and you have one seriously broken fandom. But many of these problems are less to do with the movie itself and more expectations; The Last Jedi doesn't directly contradict anything in The Force Awakens - Luke is already a nomad and Maz indicates Rey's parents aren't actually important - and all of its story choices and plot twists are logical when viewing the Star Wars sequel trilogy as the story of supreme villain Kylo Ren and its second entry and deconstruction of the whole franchise through the prism of failure.

Simply put, so much of Star Wars: The Last Jedi's backlash seems to come from it not lining up with what had been speculated off the back of Abrams' reboot than it was actual criticisms of Episode VIII as a film. And while there's an argument that Rian Johnson shouldn't have been so aggressive in his bid to subvert those expectations, it's also true that some of these aspects would have landed better with the proper establishment. Essentially, the trailers missold the movie.

In recent years, we've seen advertising become a bigger part of a movie's narrative. Trailers giving up too much of the plot or spectacle reflects badly on movies, and missold tone leads to threats of lawsuits (see Drive presented as a Fast and Furious riff), which has seen a rise in spoiler-phobia and secrecy. Unfortunately, in 2017 it went too far. Box office bomb Blade Runner 2049 preached only to the converted fans of the original cult classic, and Star Wars: The Last Jedi failed to prep its already guaranteed audience for what was to come.

HOW THE LAST JEDI WAS MARKETED (AND WHY IT WAS WRONG)

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Star Wars 8's marketing technically started in February 2016, less than two months after The Force Awakens released with a production announcement video showing Daisy Ridley and Mark Hamill picking up where they left off. However, things didn't really kick off until a year later with The Last Jedi title reveal in January 2017. The first teaser released at Star Wars Celebration in April, a behind-the-scenes reel at D23 in July, a Force Friday merchandise launch in September, final trailer (and tickets sale) in October, and then the usual blitz of tie-ins and TV spots leading up to the December release. All in all, it was a pretty standard rollout for one of the big movies of the year. Indeed, it basically mirrored the approach for Star Wars: The Force Awakens, except that had an earlier teaser in November the previous year to announce the entire Saga's return under Disney after a decade away.

Scheduling wasn't the only thing The Last Jedi borrowed from The Force Awakens, however. J.J. Abrams' Star Wars 7 had been made under an air of extreme secrecy, with the director employing his classic mystery box storytelling to keep as much of what was in store a secret. Who was Rey? Kylo Ren? Where was Luke? All these secrets and many, many more were maintained from casting through to release, with the movie resolving some and leaving others as dangling questions. It was a move that worked on many levels: it made the prospect of more Star Wars unpredictably exciting, brought focus onto the new story, and helped build hype for the trilogy to come.

The Last Jedi followed a similar level of secrecy. From the very start, the identity of the Jedi in the title (and whether it was singular or plural) was the topic of much debate that director and stars kept up for months, and the trailers aimed to obfuscate just about everything. All you'd really know about the film based on its two primary trailers that played in cinemas is the following: it picks up straight after The Force Awakens; Rey trains in the Force (sort of); Luke wants the Jedi to end (for an unclear reason); there's at least one space battle (where Kylo may contemplate killing Leia); there is a salt planet battle; Finn fights Phasma; Snoke captures Rey; Rey and Kylo Ren may consider teaming up (but there was questionable trailer editing); Porgs exist. That's it. More could be gleaned by TV spots and tie-in materials, but even then, anything approaching the big questions left by The Force Awakens or refuting of baked-in fan theories that were flat-out wrong was in short supply.

And this was a problem. Yes, The Last Jedi's secretive marketing protected from any and almost all spoilers, but it also didn't establish what the movie itself was going to be. There was none of Luke's personality, none of Rey and Kylo Ren's growing relationship, none of the comedy. Audiences had simply no idea what Star Wars: The Last Jedi was.

THE LAST JEDI'S MARKETING SOLD A FORCE AWAKENS SEQUEL, NOT THE LAST JEDI

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On a basic level, Star Wars: The Last Jedi is a sequel to The Force Awakens. But just as Star Wars 7 was a sequel to Return of the Jedi, start of a new trilogy and legacy-quel reboot, so too was its follow-up doing more than just continuing the story. The Last Jeditakes characters we've known for multiple movies and evolves them. Luke is a tortured figure when we meet him 35 years later; Leia is able to tap into the Force in a moment of mortal threat; Kylo Ren is more confused than all-evil after killing his father; and Rey's parents really aren't important. These are big topics that go against previous understandings, and the themes are just as unexpected: failure as a teacher; learning from the past while moving beyond it; and on a more intimate scale, Star Wars is not just about the Skywalkers.

It's not hard to see that these are challenging ideas for Star Wars. The two previous Disney-era films had been a spiritual remake new beginning and war-is-hell evoking of original trilogy aesthetic; they were firmly in the Star Wars ballpark. The last time Star Warstruly deviated from expectations was when Episode I: The Phantom Menace slowed the pace, provided political backstory and explained the Force. There, it was also held back by wooden dialogue and weak filmmaking, but the lessons of surprise should be clear. Yet Star Wars: The Last Jedi's marketing did nothing to prep people for what was coming beyond promising a ride that was more of the same. The most the trailers did were include choice quotes like Luke's "This is not going to go the way you think" or Kylos' "let the past die, kill it you have to", which is frankly not enough to work against those theorizing Snoke is Darth Plageuis or other madcap irrelevancies.

This undoubtedly made everything more affronting. Luke's personality shift was bigger, the jokes more extreme, the deaths more shocking. And with that comes a bigger backlash. It's easy to point at Star Wars: The Last Jedi itself as being the root of all these problems, but it's really all in the build-up. And we can see that best when comparing to Disney's other major franchise...

AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR SHOWS HOW TO DO IT RIGHT

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As already alluded to, the spoiler-averse approach to marketing is prevalent across cinema, even though it may not necessarily be the optimum way to sell or consume a movie. Studies have shown that spoilers tend to enhance a viewing experience due to how they frame a story ahead of time, and in that vein, most successful cases of spoiler-phobic marketing are ones that still present a well-rounded sense of the movie. Indeed, for all the secrecy, bar the big mysteries Lucasfilm didn't hide much of Star Wars: The Force Awakens; its familiar plot and focus on evoking classic Star Wars tone is up front.

For a perfect example, you need only look to the MCU. This is a franchise that is notorious for secrecy - jokes about actors not being able to say anything has been interview fodder since Avengers: Age of Ultron (as has the threat of Mark Ruffalo accidentally revealing something) - yet has marketing that typically shows all but one big twist and fun Easter eggs (see: the Mandarin in Iron Man 3, Hydra infiltrating S.H.I.E.L.D. in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Ego being the villain Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2, the Vulture being Liz's father in Spider-Man: Homecoming and many more).

You get this best with Avengers: Infinity War. Marvel locked up the ending, having Thanos' victory and the snap victims be on an entirely need-to-know basis, and was likewise quiet about anything involving the Soul Stone (Red Skull's return or Gamora's death), yet over the course of several trailers alluded to pretty much everything else: the character team-ups, Thor's mission, the Battles in Wakanda and Titan, the mix of apocalyptic and comedy. A lot was still held back, of course, but a considerably high amount of the story was out there beforehand; there was no doubt that the movie being sold was the movie delivered. The trailers showed the right things, prepared audiences to not expect a Civil War reunionbetween Captain America and Iron Man, and built up Thanos in such a way that even with the unexpected cliffhanger (the marketing downplayed the previous "Part 1" announcement) felt fitting. It displayed all the awareness of the finished product that The Last Jedi's trailers didn't.

STAR WARS DOESN'T NEED TO BE A MYSTERY BOX

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All of this discussion, ultimately, comes to rest on one simple fact: Star Wars is being treated as a mystery box. This is the J.J. Abrams way, building up excitement for a movie with teases of a promise, letting the hunger to find the answer to some grand mystery be the key sell. It's the monster in Cloverfield, it's the meaning of the island in Lost, it's the monster (again) in Super 8, and it's what exactly Star Wars: The Force Awakens is.

Fundamentally, the mystery box is not a good filmmaking device. It's a marketing trick alone and only serves to direct audiences into watching a product they may not have otherwise. That's why the mystery box aspect of a film's marketing is rarely the reason it succeeds artistically: while the viral marketing worked with Cloverfield, that movie really succeeds off Matt Reeves direction; Lost didn't have answers to its questions but instead found life in its characters; Super 8's strength was nostalgia, not its monster; and The Force Awakens was just Star Wars 7 after all. You can see how broken the mechanic can be with The Cloverfield Paradox, which used classic mystery box techniques of a shock release method and hamfisted retcon to hide the fact it was just a very bad movie.

Now, Star Wars has always had mystery. The Darth Vader twist in The Empire Strikes Backwas known only by Lucas, producer Gary Kurtz, director Irvin Kerschner, Mark Hamill and James Earl Jones, while the production planted fake spoilers in magazines to throw fans off the scent. But this was a slight consideration at the time. By the time of the prequels, Lucas was very open, with a constant stream of set videos shared on the early internet, Qui-Gon's death spoiled by The Phantom Menace soundtrack, and Revenge of the Sith marketed heavily on the presence of Darth Vader. They were movies with a known outcome, sure, and had obvious twists (Padme's secret, that Count Dooku was a Sith and the identity of Darth Sidious), but it was still noticeably transparent.

That every Star Wars movie is produced under immense secrecy is really born from the Disney era, and specifically Abrams. And it needn't be; The Force Awakens got away with it thanks to how well the movie replicated the feel of Star Wars, but that all its mystery really amounted to one character being a new-generation Skywalker, the death of a legacy heroeverybody expected to bite it already, and a plot that mirrored A New Hope is certainly perplexing. In truth, the use of the mystery box for the film's marketing had a very different purpose to narrative; it was bringing Star Wars back under a cloud of cynicism following the prequels and needed a longer lead-in, more "feel" focused push, and to build up hype for more - something for which teasing ambiguity helps.

With Star Wars: The Last Jedi, though, the mystery box just means that some of its most interesting aspects are held back for far too long. The audience for Disney Star Wars was proven by The Force Awakens and Rogue One, so it was more a case of raising awareness and getting everybody ready for the release than actually selling something. The mistake was assuming that people needed to be dragged into the cinema once again.

WHAT LUCASFILM SHOULD HAVE DONE WITH THE LAST JEDI

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So, with the problems - both in practice and ethos - laid out, how should Lucasfilm have approached Star Wars: The Last Jedi's marketing? Put simply, lead into the movie more. Admit outright it's a full subversion, reveal some of the more contentious elements, and allow fans to get used to it. All of this would lead to the predictable debates, but it would happen before the movie released, not after. History has taught us that Star Wars fans will always resist change, but with enough reinforcement will accept it.

Give the first act of each arc. Instead of teasing Luke being disenfranchised with the Jedi, make abundantly clear he's cut off from the Force and that Kylo Ren is the cause (this would also give Mark Hamill more to talk about, playing down his "fundamental disagreement" with Rian Johnson). This wouldn't mean showing the lightsaber throw - that's a perfect surprise for theaters - but priming audiences for the character would make it land with the intended effect. The same ethos goes for Rose and Canto Bight - they were mostly absent from the mainstream marketing, making them a jolt - or the humor - the trailers woefully missold the movie's tone - or Reylo.

What should be hidden is the death of Snoke and Luke, Rey's parents, Leia in space and the Holdo maneuver (Yoda could be held back but it doesn't really matter). However, none of these should be straight-up hidden as they were: establish Snoke's role (while downplaying an identity reveal) making it surprising when Rey is before him early; tease Luke and Kylo's showdown; reveal Kylo knows Rey's parents' true identity; show Leia injured and Holdo's conflict with Poe. The payoffs of these subplots would obviously land best as part of the movie, but removing the setup from the trailers puts the audience as a disadvantage for engaging with such a packed movie.

HOW LUCASFILM CAN FIX THIS FOR STAR WARS 9

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That exact approach is what Lucasfilm should follow through with on Star Wars 9. Is it "correcting" The Last Jedi? Is it a remake of Return of the Jedi? Is it a time travel jaunt through the past films? Whatever Star Wars 9 is, it should be outlined clearly and carefully during the advertising campaign. That needn't mean everything is dumped in the first teaser or that the majority of surprises aren't held back, but a more honest presentation of the film will both prep people for what Abrams has done and ideally undo some of the damage done so far.

The irony of the backlash stoked by The Last Jedi's marketing is that Star Wars 9 is now perceived as needing to "win back" a portion of its audience only just brought back on board by The Force Awakens. This means there will be a supposed advantage to returning to the mystery box and teasing reveals and secrets, but that really only propagates the cycle. To truly move on from the mistakes of the past, the Star Wars marketing machine needs to actually understand The Last Jedi learn from its failures.

They are, to a point, already doing this. The official production announcement included confirmation that Episode IX is (for now) the end of the Skywalker Saga, that Mark Hamill will return and unused footage of Carrie Fisher will finish Leia's story. All three of these could easily have been kept a secret up to release (see Yoda in The Last Jedi) but that they're out there now means audiences won't be startled to distraction by Force Ghost Luke and a resurrected Fisher. But it shouldn't stop here. Is there a new Death Star? Understandable, but don't hide it. Is Matt Smith just a First Order general? Then say that, don't let speculation he's Rey's father override everything else.

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Star Wars fandom is complex, formed of multiple generations of audiences who get entirely different things from the saga and all believe their view of the multimedia empire to be the correct one. That's one of the most amazing things about the series, but also makes keeping it going a challenge. Disney has (mostly) hit the right note in pleasing as many people as earnestly possible, they just need to get more open about what their Star Warsplans are. And it all starts with those trailers.


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Cancellation of ‘Boba Fett’ Movie Reveals a ‘Star Wars’ Franchise in Serious Trouble
This week’s cancellation of a feature film starring the bounty hunter character Boba Fett tell us just how much trouble the Star Wars franchise is in

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LucasFilm chief Kathleen Kennedy finally bit the bullet this week, finally revealed what we all knew to be true — that the Star Wars movie universe is contracting, shrinking, and doing so in a very serious way.

If you recall, the original plan was for Kennedy and Disney to Marvel the Star Wars series, to mine the mythology and wealth of characters in a way that would guarantee a mega-hit for Disney once or twice a year.

After the mind-boggling success of the reboot, 2015’s The Force Awakens, that all seemed possible. The country was crazy for Star Wars. It was 1977 all over again. We could not get enough, our goodwill exploded, and Kennedy was going to keep ’em coming…

On top of this latest trilogy — in what is known in the Skywalker Saga — there would be spin-off sagas, and these spin-offs would almost certainly result in sequels and franchises of their own. Han Solo, Obi-Wan Kenobi, and Boba Fett projects were all announced, with the promise of even more.

It was all so exciting. The most iconic franchise in the history of movies had returned, and we were off!

There was just one tiny problem…

The movies weren’t very good.

Oh, we loved The Force Awakens in the theater, with a crowd of fellow enthusiasts. The fan service was exceptional. All those touchstones and callbacks were thrilling. But on closer examination — like, say, when you are watching at home, it’s just not a very good movie.

And why did you kill off Han Solo — the most beloved and popular character in the franchise?

Oh, well, at least we still have Luke and Leia — am I right?

Then came Rogue One, a prequel to the original Star Wars, which was a little bit better of a movie, but it only barely squeaked over a billion dollars worldwide.

Was there a disturbance in the Force?

And then came The Last Jedi, and this is when it all came together –in a bad way.

Here we were, laying down our hard-earned money to take a trip into a galaxy far, far away and here was this hideous Kathleen Kennedy woman beating us over the head with her obnoxious feminist agenda, her even more obnoxious identity politics, her intolerable preaching and ham-handed, man-hating Woke-ness, and this movie sucks and, oh, well, that is just great, now they’ve killed off Luke and replaced him the cast of Dawson’s Creek 2.

Well, at least we still have Carrie Fish– Oh, no.

A movie focused on Han Solo seemed to come at exactly the right time. After all, who doesn’t love Han Solo? Who doesn’t want to see Solo? But then…

Oh, look, Solo has Feminist Woke-Droid and a pansexual Lando Calrissian with an unnatural affection for Feminist Woke-Droid and the guy playing Han Solo who is about four feet shorter than Han Solo and ker-splat, the impossible happens: a Star Wars movie flops.

Even the Lucas prequels didn’t flop, not even Attack of the Clones, but Solo did, grossing just $392 million worldwide, which is a disaster for something that probably had to crack $800 just to break even.

Solo was not so disappointing a movie it deserved to flop, so here’s what I think happened…

The fans had been complaining bitterly about a lot of things, most especially The Last Jedi, and in return Kennedy and her Woke Squad attacked them, called them bigots and sexists and backward, and screw you we are Star Wars and this thing will always make money, which means we can use it as a soapbox for our Woke Man-Hating, and while you deplorables crybaby, we’ll be laughing all the way to the bank.

Yeah, no.

Furious over The Last Jedi and all the rest, the fans took it out on Solo, and so here we are…

But where are we, really?

What does the cancellation of the spin-offs mean?

Well, believe it or not, after all this promise and hype and announcements, there is only one Star Wars movie beyond the planning-to-be-planned stage, and that is the upcoming Episode IX, which officially closes this particular trilogy and the overall Skywalker saga.

Oh, Kennedy and Company have some TV shows coming, but TV is still TV… In the arena of the big screen, where Star Wars truly belongs, Star Wars has one last gasp before it stares into the abyss, before it can no longer ride on the goodwill of the original trilogy and those beloved characters, who are all dead now.

Bottom line: without those Obi-Wan, Han Solo, Boba Fett spin-offs, after Episode IX hits theaters next Christmas, the Star Wars film franchise is looking dead in the water.

All Kennedy has lined up is the promise of two new trilogies, one being developed by Last Jedi director Rian Johnson, who is dead to the hardcore Star Wars community because The Last Jedi sucked; and a separate trilogy in development by a couple of guys who did Game of Thrones.

That’s it, y’all.

It actually gets worse, because as she kills off our beloved characters (and those she doesn’t kill she turns into metrosexual-soy-boys), Star Wars has no characters to build a fourth trilogy from. Raise your hand if you want to spend three whole movies with Mary Sue the charisma-free Rey or the befuddled sitcom dad Finn.

And that, my friends, is how Kathleen Kennedy screwed the most unscrewable brand in movie history.

Naturally, though, because this is Hollywood, where ideology and identity triumph over all, Kennedy continues to fail upwards.


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Honestamente?

tipo.... HONESTAMENTE????

do fundo do coração? de algo que eu curtia pra c***lho?

BEM FEITO...

mas tenho que dar parabéns a Disney e essa galerinha toda... o esforço pra fazer a galera odiar SW não foi pequeno, nisso fizeram um excelente trabalho. Agora quero que se fodam bonito junto com a franquia, igual aquele escritor mongolão dos livros Aftermath lá...
 

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E lá vamos nós encerrar a quarta temporada de Damage Control, com um longo wall of text para nos apresentar a nova (e completamente medíocre) desculpa para a reação negativa dos fãs em relação a The Last Jedi.


S04E26 - Agora vamos dizer que a culpa foi dos trailers e que se foda se ninguém acreditar!!!


The Last Jedi's Trailers Created The Star Wars Backlash

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Did Star Wars: The Last Jedi's trailers and marketing help create the movie's backlash? The Star Wars fan divide has never been bigger, and it's mostly blamed on the release and surrounding decisions Lucasfilm made with Episode VIII. But could Disney have released the exact same movie to a much more accepting audience if they'd only marketed it better?

Rian Johnson's entry in the Skywalker Saga upended many of the open-ended questions established by J.J. Abrams in Star Wars: The Force Awakens, revealing Luke was a cut-off hermit, Rey's parents were nobodies, the Knights of Ren a side note, and making former leads Poe and Finn into supporting failures. Throw in shock deaths for Snoke and Luke, Leia using the Force to fly through space, a heavy leaning into bathos, and a prequel-esque jaunt in Canto Bight, and you have one seriously broken fandom. But many of these problems are less to do with the movie itself and more expectations; The Last Jedi doesn't directly contradict anything in The Force Awakens - Luke is already a nomad and Maz indicates Rey's parents aren't actually important - and all of its story choices and plot twists are logical when viewing the Star Wars sequel trilogy as the story of supreme villain Kylo Ren and its second entry and deconstruction of the whole franchise through the prism of failure.

Simply put, so much of Star Wars: The Last Jedi's backlash seems to come from it not lining up with what had been speculated off the back of Abrams' reboot than it was actual criticisms of Episode VIII as a film. And while there's an argument that Rian Johnson shouldn't have been so aggressive in his bid to subvert those expectations, it's also true that some of these aspects would have landed better with the proper establishment. Essentially, the trailers missold the movie.

In recent years, we've seen advertising become a bigger part of a movie's narrative. Trailers giving up too much of the plot or spectacle reflects badly on movies, and missold tone leads to threats of lawsuits (see Drive presented as a Fast and Furious riff), which has seen a rise in spoiler-phobia and secrecy. Unfortunately, in 2017 it went too far. Box office bomb Blade Runner 2049 preached only to the converted fans of the original cult classic, and Star Wars: The Last Jedi failed to prep its already guaranteed audience for what was to come.

HOW THE LAST JEDI WAS MARKETED (AND WHY IT WAS WRONG)

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Star Wars 8's marketing technically started in February 2016, less than two months after The Force Awakens released with a production announcement video showing Daisy Ridley and Mark Hamill picking up where they left off. However, things didn't really kick off until a year later with The Last Jedi title reveal in January 2017. The first teaser released at Star Wars Celebration in April, a behind-the-scenes reel at D23 in July, a Force Friday merchandise launch in September, final trailer (and tickets sale) in October, and then the usual blitz of tie-ins and TV spots leading up to the December release. All in all, it was a pretty standard rollout for one of the big movies of the year. Indeed, it basically mirrored the approach for Star Wars: The Force Awakens, except that had an earlier teaser in November the previous year to announce the entire Saga's return under Disney after a decade away.

Scheduling wasn't the only thing The Last Jedi borrowed from The Force Awakens, however. J.J. Abrams' Star Wars 7 had been made under an air of extreme secrecy, with the director employing his classic mystery box storytelling to keep as much of what was in store a secret. Who was Rey? Kylo Ren? Where was Luke? All these secrets and many, many more were maintained from casting through to release, with the movie resolving some and leaving others as dangling questions. It was a move that worked on many levels: it made the prospect of more Star Wars unpredictably exciting, brought focus onto the new story, and helped build hype for the trilogy to come.

The Last Jedi followed a similar level of secrecy. From the very start, the identity of the Jedi in the title (and whether it was singular or plural) was the topic of much debate that director and stars kept up for months, and the trailers aimed to obfuscate just about everything. All you'd really know about the film based on its two primary trailers that played in cinemas is the following: it picks up straight after The Force Awakens; Rey trains in the Force (sort of); Luke wants the Jedi to end (for an unclear reason); there's at least one space battle (where Kylo may contemplate killing Leia); there is a salt planet battle; Finn fights Phasma; Snoke captures Rey; Rey and Kylo Ren may consider teaming up (but there was questionable trailer editing); Porgs exist. That's it. More could be gleaned by TV spots and tie-in materials, but even then, anything approaching the big questions left by The Force Awakens or refuting of baked-in fan theories that were flat-out wrong was in short supply.

And this was a problem. Yes, The Last Jedi's secretive marketing protected from any and almost all spoilers, but it also didn't establish what the movie itself was going to be. There was none of Luke's personality, none of Rey and Kylo Ren's growing relationship, none of the comedy. Audiences had simply no idea what Star Wars: The Last Jedi was.

THE LAST JEDI'S MARKETING SOLD A FORCE AWAKENS SEQUEL, NOT THE LAST JEDI

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On a basic level, Star Wars: The Last Jedi is a sequel to The Force Awakens. But just as Star Wars 7 was a sequel to Return of the Jedi, start of a new trilogy and legacy-quel reboot, so too was its follow-up doing more than just continuing the story. The Last Jeditakes characters we've known for multiple movies and evolves them. Luke is a tortured figure when we meet him 35 years later; Leia is able to tap into the Force in a moment of mortal threat; Kylo Ren is more confused than all-evil after killing his father; and Rey's parents really aren't important. These are big topics that go against previous understandings, and the themes are just as unexpected: failure as a teacher; learning from the past while moving beyond it; and on a more intimate scale, Star Wars is not just about the Skywalkers.

It's not hard to see that these are challenging ideas for Star Wars. The two previous Disney-era films had been a spiritual remake new beginning and war-is-hell evoking of original trilogy aesthetic; they were firmly in the Star Wars ballpark. The last time Star Warstruly deviated from expectations was when Episode I: The Phantom Menace slowed the pace, provided political backstory and explained the Force. There, it was also held back by wooden dialogue and weak filmmaking, but the lessons of surprise should be clear. Yet Star Wars: The Last Jedi's marketing did nothing to prep people for what was coming beyond promising a ride that was more of the same. The most the trailers did were include choice quotes like Luke's "This is not going to go the way you think" or Kylos' "let the past die, kill it you have to", which is frankly not enough to work against those theorizing Snoke is Darth Plageuis or other madcap irrelevancies.

This undoubtedly made everything more affronting. Luke's personality shift was bigger, the jokes more extreme, the deaths more shocking. And with that comes a bigger backlash. It's easy to point at Star Wars: The Last Jedi itself as being the root of all these problems, but it's really all in the build-up. And we can see that best when comparing to Disney's other major franchise...

AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR SHOWS HOW TO DO IT RIGHT

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As already alluded to, the spoiler-averse approach to marketing is prevalent across cinema, even though it may not necessarily be the optimum way to sell or consume a movie. Studies have shown that spoilers tend to enhance a viewing experience due to how they frame a story ahead of time, and in that vein, most successful cases of spoiler-phobic marketing are ones that still present a well-rounded sense of the movie. Indeed, for all the secrecy, bar the big mysteries Lucasfilm didn't hide much of Star Wars: The Force Awakens; its familiar plot and focus on evoking classic Star Wars tone is up front.

For a perfect example, you need only look to the MCU. This is a franchise that is notorious for secrecy - jokes about actors not being able to say anything has been interview fodder since Avengers: Age of Ultron (as has the threat of Mark Ruffalo accidentally revealing something) - yet has marketing that typically shows all but one big twist and fun Easter eggs (see: the Mandarin in Iron Man 3, Hydra infiltrating S.H.I.E.L.D. in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Ego being the villain Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2, the Vulture being Liz's father in Spider-Man: Homecoming and many more).

You get this best with Avengers: Infinity War. Marvel locked up the ending, having Thanos' victory and the snap victims be on an entirely need-to-know basis, and was likewise quiet about anything involving the Soul Stone (Red Skull's return or Gamora's death), yet over the course of several trailers alluded to pretty much everything else: the character team-ups, Thor's mission, the Battles in Wakanda and Titan, the mix of apocalyptic and comedy. A lot was still held back, of course, but a considerably high amount of the story was out there beforehand; there was no doubt that the movie being sold was the movie delivered. The trailers showed the right things, prepared audiences to not expect a Civil War reunionbetween Captain America and Iron Man, and built up Thanos in such a way that even with the unexpected cliffhanger (the marketing downplayed the previous "Part 1" announcement) felt fitting. It displayed all the awareness of the finished product that The Last Jedi's trailers didn't.

STAR WARS DOESN'T NEED TO BE A MYSTERY BOX

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All of this discussion, ultimately, comes to rest on one simple fact: Star Wars is being treated as a mystery box. This is the J.J. Abrams way, building up excitement for a movie with teases of a promise, letting the hunger to find the answer to some grand mystery be the key sell. It's the monster in Cloverfield, it's the meaning of the island in Lost, it's the monster (again) in Super 8, and it's what exactly Star Wars: The Force Awakens is.

Fundamentally, the mystery box is not a good filmmaking device. It's a marketing trick alone and only serves to direct audiences into watching a product they may not have otherwise. That's why the mystery box aspect of a film's marketing is rarely the reason it succeeds artistically: while the viral marketing worked with Cloverfield, that movie really succeeds off Matt Reeves direction; Lost didn't have answers to its questions but instead found life in its characters; Super 8's strength was nostalgia, not its monster; and The Force Awakens was just Star Wars 7 after all. You can see how broken the mechanic can be with The Cloverfield Paradox, which used classic mystery box techniques of a shock release method and hamfisted retcon to hide the fact it was just a very bad movie.

Now, Star Wars has always had mystery. The Darth Vader twist in The Empire Strikes Backwas known only by Lucas, producer Gary Kurtz, director Irvin Kerschner, Mark Hamill and James Earl Jones, while the production planted fake spoilers in magazines to throw fans off the scent. But this was a slight consideration at the time. By the time of the prequels, Lucas was very open, with a constant stream of set videos shared on the early internet, Qui-Gon's death spoiled by The Phantom Menace soundtrack, and Revenge of the Sith marketed heavily on the presence of Darth Vader. They were movies with a known outcome, sure, and had obvious twists (Padme's secret, that Count Dooku was a Sith and the identity of Darth Sidious), but it was still noticeably transparent.

That every Star Wars movie is produced under immense secrecy is really born from the Disney era, and specifically Abrams. And it needn't be; The Force Awakens got away with it thanks to how well the movie replicated the feel of Star Wars, but that all its mystery really amounted to one character being a new-generation Skywalker, the death of a legacy heroeverybody expected to bite it already, and a plot that mirrored A New Hope is certainly perplexing. In truth, the use of the mystery box for the film's marketing had a very different purpose to narrative; it was bringing Star Wars back under a cloud of cynicism following the prequels and needed a longer lead-in, more "feel" focused push, and to build up hype for more - something for which teasing ambiguity helps.

With Star Wars: The Last Jedi, though, the mystery box just means that some of its most interesting aspects are held back for far too long. The audience for Disney Star Wars was proven by The Force Awakens and Rogue One, so it was more a case of raising awareness and getting everybody ready for the release than actually selling something. The mistake was assuming that people needed to be dragged into the cinema once again.

WHAT LUCASFILM SHOULD HAVE DONE WITH THE LAST JEDI

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So, with the problems - both in practice and ethos - laid out, how should Lucasfilm have approached Star Wars: The Last Jedi's marketing? Put simply, lead into the movie more. Admit outright it's a full subversion, reveal some of the more contentious elements, and allow fans to get used to it. All of this would lead to the predictable debates, but it would happen before the movie released, not after. History has taught us that Star Wars fans will always resist change, but with enough reinforcement will accept it.

Give the first act of each arc. Instead of teasing Luke being disenfranchised with the Jedi, make abundantly clear he's cut off from the Force and that Kylo Ren is the cause (this would also give Mark Hamill more to talk about, playing down his "fundamental disagreement" with Rian Johnson). This wouldn't mean showing the lightsaber throw - that's a perfect surprise for theaters - but priming audiences for the character would make it land with the intended effect. The same ethos goes for Rose and Canto Bight - they were mostly absent from the mainstream marketing, making them a jolt - or the humor - the trailers woefully missold the movie's tone - or Reylo.

What should be hidden is the death of Snoke and Luke, Rey's parents, Leia in space and the Holdo maneuver (Yoda could be held back but it doesn't really matter). However, none of these should be straight-up hidden as they were: establish Snoke's role (while downplaying an identity reveal) making it surprising when Rey is before him early; tease Luke and Kylo's showdown; reveal Kylo knows Rey's parents' true identity; show Leia injured and Holdo's conflict with Poe. The payoffs of these subplots would obviously land best as part of the movie, but removing the setup from the trailers puts the audience as a disadvantage for engaging with such a packed movie.

HOW LUCASFILM CAN FIX THIS FOR STAR WARS 9

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That exact approach is what Lucasfilm should follow through with on Star Wars 9. Is it "correcting" The Last Jedi? Is it a remake of Return of the Jedi? Is it a time travel jaunt through the past films? Whatever Star Wars 9 is, it should be outlined clearly and carefully during the advertising campaign. That needn't mean everything is dumped in the first teaser or that the majority of surprises aren't held back, but a more honest presentation of the film will both prep people for what Abrams has done and ideally undo some of the damage done so far.

The irony of the backlash stoked by The Last Jedi's marketing is that Star Wars 9 is now perceived as needing to "win back" a portion of its audience only just brought back on board by The Force Awakens. This means there will be a supposed advantage to returning to the mystery box and teasing reveals and secrets, but that really only propagates the cycle. To truly move on from the mistakes of the past, the Star Wars marketing machine needs to actually understand The Last Jedi learn from its failures.

They are, to a point, already doing this. The official production announcement included confirmation that Episode IX is (for now) the end of the Skywalker Saga, that Mark Hamill will return and unused footage of Carrie Fisher will finish Leia's story. All three of these could easily have been kept a secret up to release (see Yoda in The Last Jedi) but that they're out there now means audiences won't be startled to distraction by Force Ghost Luke and a resurrected Fisher. But it shouldn't stop here. Is there a new Death Star? Understandable, but don't hide it. Is Matt Smith just a First Order general? Then say that, don't let speculation he's Rey's father override everything else.

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Star Wars fandom is complex, formed of multiple generations of audiences who get entirely different things from the saga and all believe their view of the multimedia empire to be the correct one. That's one of the most amazing things about the series, but also makes keeping it going a challenge. Disney has (mostly) hit the right note in pleasing as many people as earnestly possible, they just need to get more open about what their Star Warsplans are. And it all starts with those trailers.


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Resumindo, não é que o filme tá errado, deveriam ter feito os trailers diferentes para as pessoas irem sabendo que ia ser ruim.

Apesar de ter lógica, não seria melhor, então, terem feito o filme diferente ao invés de os trailers diferente?

De resto, não é o mesmo Damage Control de quase 1 ano atrás. Não admitem simplesmente que o filme é péssimo e a reação da Disney logo após foi ainda pior, mas admitem (sem falar) que quem odiou o filme não é machista, racista, nazista ou homofóbico.

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Daqui um ano, quando acabar a grana por baixo dos panos, todo mundo vai estar admitindo a m**** que foi. Ainda mais se os fãs forem homens de honrar a palavra e não irem dar grana nos cinemas pra essa m****.
 
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Ei mãe, 500 pontos!
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Honestamente?

tipo.... HONESTAMENTE????

do fundo do coração? de algo que eu curtia pra c***lho?

BEM FEITO...

mas tenho que dar parabéns a Disney e essa galerinha toda... o esforço pra fazer a galera odiar SW não foi pequeno, nisso fizeram um excelente trabalho. Agora quero que se fodam bonito junto com a franquia, igual aquele escritor mongolão dos livros Aftermath lá...
Cara, você disse tudo, se tivessem tentado intencionalmente fazer os fãs pararem de seguir a franquia não teriam conseguido esse resultado todo.

Mas como sempre, depende desses fãs não se fazerem de bitches e irem dar grana pra eles no cinema.
 

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And that, my friends, is how Kathleen Kennedy screwed the most unscrewable brand in movie history.
Isso é um feito.

O novo grande vilão que será o cult da nova geração dentro de 15 anos à partir de agora é Thanos. Conseguiram o que era virtualmente impossível: foder um ícone cultural.
 
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