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[Piga]

Se os drivers forem estáveis e o preço for condizente com a performance, basta estar na prateleira.

Mas conhecendo o histórico da Intel em termos de valores, você acredita que ficará abaixo o suficiente das equivalentes NVidia/AMD?

 

[LucianoBraga]

Mas conhecendo o histórico da Intel em termos de valores, você acredita que ficará abaixo o suficiente das equivalentes NVidia/AMD?

Então, a Intel vem melhorando os preços nas linhas de CPUs há alguns anos já...inclusive nos segmentos superiores.
Eu acho que entrando nesse mercado novo, com marcas muito estabelecidas, a única coisa que ela pode brigar é no preço.

 

[Piga]

Então, a Intel vem melhorando os preços nas linhas de CPUs há alguns anos já...inclusive nos segmentos superiores.
Eu acho que entrando nesse mercado novo, com marcas muito estabelecidas, a única coisa que ela pode brigar é no preço.

Torcendo pra que isso realmente aconteça. Eu estava conversando com outro user por MP e a gente tava comentando que o componente que é menos confiável num PC, ou seja, que mais dá problema é justamente a GPU, que é a placa mais cara de um PC hoje. Deu pena de saber que a placa desse user, que custou uns 5k queimou com menos de um ano uso, de acordo com ele.

Os preços das Gpus tem que baixar pra ontem.

 

[LucianoBraga]

Torcendo pra que isso realmente aconteça. Eu estava conversando com outro user por MP e a gente tava comentando que o componente que é menos confiável num PC, ou seja, que mais dá problema é justamente a GPU, que é a placa mais cara de um PC hoje. Deu pena de saber que a placa desse user, que custou uns 5k queimou com menos de um ano uso, de acordo com ele.

Os preços das Gpus tem que baixar pra ontem.

A GPU é a peça única de maior complexidade. Bilhões de transístores, VRM próprio, comunicação com a placa-mãe, etc.

 

[extremepower]

Acho que isso só vai acontecer se a Intel puxar os preços pra baixo.

Intel. Preços baixos.

Escolha um.

 

[LucianoBraga]

Intel. Preços baixos.

Escolha um.

Então, a Intel vem melhorando os preços nas linhas de CPUs há alguns anos já...inclusive nos segmentos superiores.
Eu acho que entrando nesse mercado novo, com marcas muito estabelecidas, a única coisa que ela pode brigar é no preço.

 

[ffaabbiio]

A GPU é a peça única de maior complexidade. Bilhões de transístores, VRM próprio, comunicação com a placa-mãe, etc.

Fora que a gpu tem os fans grudados nela, que é uma parte móvel que pode dar problema.

Enviado de meu M2007J20CG usando o Tapatalk

 

[billpower]

Eu acho que a Intel vai surpreender os descrentes com relação aos preços das suas VGA's. Ela sabe que a aceitação do produto passa diretamente por isso e eles não são burros.

 

[Krion]

Intel Arc GPU Specifications Leak Out: 16GB GDDR6 Memory @ 16Gbps w/ 512GB Bandwidth​

The memory specifications of Intel’s 1st Gen Arc graphics cards have leaked out. Internally known as DG1 (codenamed Alchemist), these SKUs are slated to launch in the coming months, first for notebooks and then the desktop “DIY” market. We already know that there are four primary dies that will power the first-gen Arc lineup. These are known as SKU1, SKU2, SKU3, and SKU4 with 512, 384, 256, and 128/96EUs, respectively.

The memory configurations of these dies have been spotted by @9950pro on Twitter. Going by the shared figures, it’d be safe to say that Intel will be competing with NVIDIA and AMD right from the $149 to the $549 segments. As expected, this includes the massively popular GeForce GTX 1650 to the haughty GeForce RTX 3070 Ti (Radeon RX 6800 on AMD’s end).

The higher-end SKU1 GPUs will feature 16Gbps eight VRAM dies paired with a 256-bit bus, resulting in a maximum memory bandwidth of 512GB/s. It’s worth noting that this is higher than the GeForce RTX 3070 which is limited to 448GB/s of external bandwidth, courtesy of the 14Gbps memory modules. AMD has already upgraded its Big Navi chips to the 16Gbps dies from Micron. Here, the RTX 3070 is the only 8GB card, with both its rivals featuring twice as much memory. This explains why NVIDIA is rushing to launch a 16GB variant.

Thanks to @Olrak for compiling

The 384EU SKU2 is placed similarly next to the GeForce RTX 3060 and the Radeon RX 6700 XT. It combines a 192-bit bus with six 16Gbps modules, resulting in a bandwidth of 384GB/s, the same as the latter, marginally higher than the former. All three SKUs feature 6GB memory buffers.

SKU3 with 256EUs features four memory dies paired via a 128-bit bus to four memory dies, resulting in a bandwidth of 256GB/s. The 8GB memory buffer puts it on par (and maybe even slightly ahead) of the RTX 3050 which also comes with 8GB of 14Gbps memory. The Radeon RX 6500 XT with its 4GB memory is at a serious disadvantage here.

Finally, we have the entry-level SKU4 which will see widespread adoption in the notebook gaming market. It comes with a 64-bit bus paired to two 14Gbps memory dies (total= 4GB), resulting in a bandwidth of just 112GB/s. This GPU will feature 96-128EUs and go straight up against the GeForce GTX 1650/1650 Super.

 

[Krion]

Intel wants to ship millions of Arc GPUs to PC gamers every year​

Intel trabalhando duro para enviar milhões de GPUs Arc para jogadores de PC todos os anos​

Raja Koduri respondeu à carta aberta da PC Gamer à Intel pedindo à empresa que encontre a solução para o problema de preços de GPU em andamento.



A 'crise dos pesadelos da GPU' mencionada pela PC Gamer virou o mercado gráfico de cabeça para baixo e tem sido uma dor de cabeça para os jogadores que não conseguem mais encontrar uma GPU a um preço razoável. A escassez de componentes e substratos, o aumento do valor da criptomoeda e milhões de pessoas agora trabalhando em casa contribuíram para a maior escassez de GPU em anos.

Agora, mais de um ano desde que o problema surgiu, as placas gráficas estão realmente disponíveis, mas ainda com preços absurdos. No entanto, esse preço supostamente está diminuindo lentamente, enquanto as criptomoedas enfrentam uma queda maciça de valor. Isso, além da próxima mudança do Ethereum para a prova de participação e a NVIDIA e a AMD lançando novas GPUs de nível básico, podem finalmente fornecer alguma esperança de normalidade.

Enquanto isso, o próximo terceiro jogador no jogo de GPU, a Intel, tem sido suspeitosamente quieto sobre suas GPUs discretas Arc. A empresa não forneceu novas informações na CES 2022, mas a reivindicação de disponibilidade do primeiro trimestre de 2022 foi reafirmada. Infelizmente, a Intel não confirmou quando os jogadores poderão realmente comprar GPUs Arc para desktop.

Os planos são grandes, pois Raja Koduri (SVP da Intel, GM Accelerated Computing Systems and Graphics Group) está procurando uma solução para enviar milhões de GPUs Arc para jogadores todos os anos, como ele disse em um tweet respondendo à história do PC Gamer:




A cada quarto, milhões de GPUs estão sendo enviados por parceiros add-in-board para jogadores e integradores de sistemas. Ao adicionar mais alguns milhões de GPUs a cada ano, a Intel certamente terá um efeito positivo no mercado. A Intel disse muitas vezes que as GPUs ARC são um plano de vários anos que envolve a cooperação de uma fundição, parceiros de placa, jogadores e estúdios de jogos. Com Alchemist aparecendo 2 a 3 trimestres antes da arquitetura AMD/NVIDIA de última geração, pode não ser até 'Arc Battlemage' até que a Intel se estabeleça como um verdadeiro concorrente.

Fonte: King Koduri (Twitter) , PC Gamer

 

[Krion]

Intel Arc Alchemist engineering sample pictured​

Here are some new photos of the desktop Arc Alchemist card. This is actually a third engineering sample to be pictured.

This sample is equipped with a black dual-fan cooling solution, the same that was already seen in the previous leaks. Furthermore, we now have a better look at the I/O bracket featuring three DisplayPort and one HDMI connector. Intel has pretty much confirmed that Arc will be the first architecture to support DisplayPort 2.0, therefore this might be the first DP2.0 card to be pictured (at least from this angle).


Intel Arc Alchemist engineering sample, Source: VideoCardz


The PCB reveals that the card has up to eight memory modules, which means this is either the flagship 16GB model or a cut-down model 12GB (depending on how many are installed on the other side).

In terms of power, this card is equipped with 6-pin and 8-pin power connectors, but we can clearly see that there is room for dual 8-pin configuration should that ever be required.


Intel Arc Alchemist engineering sample, Source: VideoCardz


Overall we can say that the card is a hybrid of the two previously pictured engineering samples, both of which were first shown by YouTuber Moore’s Law is Dead. The card has the same black shroud from the earlier model with extended green PCB, but at the same time, it appears to be using the updated board design just as the newer sample with a silver shroud (as pictured on the right side below).


Other Intel Arc Alchemist engineering samples, Source: Moore’s Law is Dead



Either way, it’s kind of interesting to see how the design changes over time, although we can’t see major upgrades to the design anymore. This suggests Intel should be ready to launch this new card soon, although if rumors are to be believed the flagship desktop Arc SKU might not launch until the second quarter.

 

[T1mp4s]

Intel Arc Alchemist engineering sample pictured​

Here are some new photos of the desktop Arc Alchemist card. This is actually a third engineering sample to be pictured.

This sample is equipped with a black dual-fan cooling solution, the same that was already seen in the previous leaks. Furthermore, we now have a better look at the I/O bracket featuring three DisplayPort and one HDMI connector. Intel has pretty much confirmed that Arc will be the first architecture to support DisplayPort 2.0, therefore this might be the first DP2.0 card to be pictured (at least from this angle).


Intel Arc Alchemist engineering sample, Source: VideoCardz


The PCB reveals that the card has up to eight memory modules, which means this is either the flagship 16GB model or a cut-down model 12GB (depending on how many are installed on the other side).

In terms of power, this card is equipped with 6-pin and 8-pin power connectors, but we can clearly see that there is room for dual 8-pin configuration should that ever be required.


Intel Arc Alchemist engineering sample, Source: VideoCardz


Overall we can say that the card is a hybrid of the two previously pictured engineering samples, both of which were first shown by YouTuber Moore’s Law is Dead. The card has the same black shroud from the earlier model with extended green PCB, but at the same time, it appears to be using the updated board design just as the newer sample with a silver shroud (as pictured on the right side below).


Other Intel Arc Alchemist engineering samples, Source: Moore’s Law is Dead



Either way, it’s kind of interesting to see how the design changes over time, although we can’t see major upgrades to the design anymore. This suggests Intel should be ready to launch this new card soon, although if rumors are to be believed the flagship desktop Arc SKU might not launch until the second quarter.

Eu sempe olho esse modelo e parece uma placa pirata rs
Acho muito fragil, sei lá.

 

[Krion]

Esta chegando...
Logo logo começam a vazar uns reviews

 

[wtsds]

Esta chegando...
Logo logo começam a vazar uns reviews

Mas tem data do lançamento oficial?

 

[Krion]

Mas tem data do lançamento oficial?

Nada confirmado ainda, a maioria dos sites prevê para Q2 2022.

Mas já parece que tem uma galera já "testando" alguns modelos, quem sabe algo de concreto (testes de desempenho em relação a jogos) vaza antes da hora.

 

[Gray-fox]

Eu honestamente vou esperar essas Arc, minha maior preocupação além do preço obviamente, são os drivers, será que serão drivers feitos do 0 ou vão usar o código dos drivers lixo intel graphics?

Esse é o maior desafio de um novo entrante nesse mercado, os drivers suportarem todo o histórico do PC, desde os Directx e opengl do tempo das cavernas, até o DX12 ultimate e Vulkan.

 

[young_retro]

Eu honestamente vou esperar essas Arc, minha maior preocupação além do preço obviamente, são os drivers, será que serão drivers feitos do 0 ou vão usar o código do drivers lixo intel graphics?

Esse é o maior desafio de um novo entrante nesse mercado, os drivers suportarem todo o histórico do PC, desde os Directx e opengl do tempo das cavernas, até o DX12 ultimate e Vulkan.

Pelo o que anda acontecendo, driver das HD Graphics. Visto que, o Xe e arc são "mesma linha" (não mesma linha, mas por falta de termo tecnico melhor prq minha cabeça ta a 1000 aqui com o trabalho)

Enfim, eles andam melhorando os drivers. bastante. Inclusive, cada update que anda saindo, da pra ver que ta mudando MUITA coisa. Dando uma olhada nas release notes da pra ter uma noção melhor. E andam focando bastante em corrigir erros reportados por usuarios em jogos especificos (provavelmente vizando os jogos mais populares.)

Exemplo aqui, no ultimo driver disponivel, teve uma correção focando o COD Vanguard:

GAMING HIGHLIGHTS:

• Fixes for flicker observed while playing Fortnite on Intel® Iris® Xe Dedicated Graphics family and intermittent crash or hang seen in Call of the Duty: Vanguard* (DX12) on 11th Generation Intel® Core™ Processors with Intel® Iris® Xe graphics.

 

[Gray-fox]

Agora vai?

 

[Krion]

Intel Confirms Arc Alchemist Desktop Graphics Cards In Q2 2022, Workstation by Q3 2022, Celestial Architecture For Ultra-Enthusiast Segment In The Works​

During its 2022 Investors Meeting, Intel confirmed that it will be shipping its first Arc Alchemist Desktop discrete graphics cards in Q2 2022.

Intel Arc Alchemist Desktop Graphics Cards In Q2 2022, Workstation In Q3 2022, Celestial Architecture For Ultra-Enthusiasts In The Works​

It looks like Intel themselves have confirmed that while Arc Alchemist GPUs will be coming to the notebook segment in the first quarter of 2022, desktops will get the discrete graphics card update by the second quarter of 2022 while workstations will get the first Arc Alchemist powered products by the third quarter of 2022.


Celestial is the mascot of Intel's 3rd Gen Arc graphics lineup. (Image Credits: Intel)

In addition to Arc Alchemist, it looks like Intel is also well underway on the development of its next-generation Arc graphics architecture. The company aims to offer enthusiast-grade products with its Battlemage architecture next year but the design work is already underway on its Celestial graphics architecture which comes after Battlemage and will be addressing the Ultra-Enthusiast segment. It is expected to be launched beyond 2024.

It is also interesting to see Intel use the 'Ultra-Enthusiast' wording for the Celestial lineup. This could mean that while Battlemage is aiming for the enthusiast segment, it still won't have GPU options to compete against NVIDIA and AMD's highest-end offerings so those who want to see those insane discrete graphics cards that sit at the top of the hill should wait for 2024 for next-generation Celestial products.

• Visual Compute Roadmap and Strategy
  
  • Intel Arc Graphics Timing and Roadmap Update – AXG expects to ship more than 4 million discrete GPUs in 2022. OEMs are introducing notebooks with Intel Arc graphics, code-named Alchemist, for sale in the first quarter of 2022. Intel will ship add-in cards for desktops in the second quarter and workstations by the third quarter. Architecture work has begun on Celestial, a product that will address the ultra-enthusiast segment.
  • Project Endgame – Project Endgame will enable users to access Intel Arc GPUs through a service for an always-accessible, low-latency computing experience. Project Endgame will be available later this year.

A PCB showcasing an Intel Data Center GPU based on the first-gen Xe architecture.

Intel also announced that it plans to offer a new ecosystem known as Project Endgame which will allow consumers to access Intel Arc GPUs through a service for an always-accessible and low-latency computing experience. Think of it as Intel's answer to GeForce now and it does sound pretty cool. As for adoption, Intel plans to ship more than 4 million discrete GPUs in 2022 and aims to deliver $1 billion in revenue in 2022 but AXG plans to scale that revenue up to $10 billion by 2026.

• Super Compute Roadmap and Strategy – More than 85 percent of the world’s supercomputers run on Intel Xeon processors. Building on this foundation, AXG is extending to higher compute and memory bandwidth and will deliver a leadership CPU and GPU roadmap to power high-performance computing (HPC) and AI workloads. To date, Intel expects more than 35 HPC-AI design wins from top OEMs and CSPs. Additionally, AXG has set a course that paves the way to zetta-scale by 2027.
  
  • Sapphire Rapids with High-Bandwidth Memory (HBM) – HBM integrated into the package with Sapphire Rapids offers applications up to 4x more memory bandwidth, providing a generational improvement of 2.8x over Intel 3rd Gen Xeon processors. On the same computational fluid dynamics application, Sapphire Rapids with HBM outperforms competing solutions by up to 2.8x.
  • Ponte Vecchio – AXG is on track to deliver Ponte Vecchio GPUs for the Aurora supercomputer program later this year. Ponte Vecchio achieved leadership performance results with up to 2.6x more performance compared with the leading market solution on a complex financial-services workload.
  • Arctic Sound-M – Arctic Sound-M brings the industry’s first hardware-based AV1 encoder into a GPU to provide 30% bandwidth improvement and includes the industry’s only open-sourced media solution. The media and analytics supercomputer enables leadership to transcode quality, streaming density, and cloud gaming. Arctic-Sound M is sampling to customers and will ship by mid-2022.
  • Falcon Shores – Falcon Shores is a new architecture that will bring x86 and Xe GPU together into a single socket. This architecture is targeted for 2024 and is projected to deliver benefits of more than 5x performance-per-watt, 5x compute density, 5x memory capacity, and bandwidth improvements.
• Custom Compute Group – AXG’s Custom Compute Group will build tailored products for emerging workloads such as blockchain, supercomputing at the edge, premium infotainment for cars, immersive displays, and more.

Intel also talked about its server and data center parts and has announced the AXG is on track to deliver the Ponte Vecchio Xe-HPC GPUs to the Aurora Supercomputer. Also, it looks like Arctic Sound is back in the form of Arctic Sound-M which will bring the industry's first hardware-based AV1 encoder into a GPU, providing a 30% bandwidth uplift and is expected to sample by mid of 2022. The Data Center GPU will feature a single-slot form factor and will come with a single 8-pin connector to boot in a passive design.

It was reported that Intel had canceled Arctic Sound to focus more on the Xe-HPC and Xe-HPG designs but in reality, it was just the Xe-HP GPUs that were canned. Arctic Sound-M have been positioned to serve the cloud segment and will be powered by the Xe-HPG DG2 GPU, allowing for up to 8 simultaneous 4K streams, 30+ 1080p streams, 60+ virtualized functions, 30+ game streams and AI performance of up to 150 TOPs.

In addition to that, Intel is working on a new MCM design known as Falcon Shores which is going to fuse x86 CPU and Xe GPU cores together into a single socket. We have been waiting to see AMD's Exascale APU solution for a while now but it looks like Intel may be the first to offer the said technology when it comes out with it by 2024, featuring 5x the performance per watt, 5 times the compute density and 5 times the memory capacity and bandwidth compared to traditional socket solutions.

The Falcon Shores platform will be leveraging from Intel's Xe-HPC architecture and will be based on either the 20A or 18A process node while featuring the next-generation of advanced packaging tech from Intel.

Intel ARC Gaming GPU Lineup​

GPU Family	Intel Xe-HPG	Intel Xe2-HPG	Intel Xe3-HPG	Intel Xe Next	Intel Xe Next Next
GPU Products	ARC Alchemist GPUs	ARC Battlemage GPUs	ARC Celestial GPUs	ARC Druid GPUs	ARC E*** GPUs
GPU Segment	Mainstream / High-End Gaming (Discrete)	Mainstream / High-End Gaming (Discrete)	Mainstream / High-End Gaming (Discrete)	Mainstream / High-End Gaming (Discrete)	Mainstream / High-End Gaming (Discrete)
GPU Gen	Gen 12	Gen 13?	Gen 14?	Gen 15?	Gen 16?
Process Node	TSMC 6nm	TBA	TBA	TBA	TBA
Specs / Design	512 EUs / 1 Tile / 1 GPU	TBA	TBA	TBA	TBA
Memory Subsystem	GDDR6	TBA	TBA	TBA	TBA
Launch	2022	2023?	2024?	2025?	2026?

 

[LucianoBraga]

QUERO É MEUS DRIVERS, SEUS VAGABUNDOS
Melhoraram bastante, mas ainda é claro que tem muita coisa sub-utilizada.

 

[LucianoBraga]

 

[T.Chico]

E cadê a porcaria dessas GPUs, vai rodar que uma maravilha no gráfico integrado pelo menos vai dar para ver a qualidade desse drive.

 

[Yatahaze]

A Intel vai montar as suas placas de vídeo ou vai ter parceiras (Asus, MSI, etc)?

 

[LucianoBraga]

E cadê a porcaria dessas GPUs, vai rodar que uma maravilha no gráfico integrado pelo menos vai dar para ver a qualidade desse drive.

Pelo calendário, é pras mobile saírem até abril. Desktop no Q2.

A Intel vai montar as suas placas de vídeo ou vai ter parceiras (Asus, MSI, etc)?

Parceiras. Diz a Intel que as integradoras todas embarcaram, inclusive essas duas que você citou, e que provavelmente são as maiores do mercado.

 

[Krion]

Intel Arc Alchemist Graphics Card With 32 Xe Cores Spotted With Up To 2.4 GHz Max Clocks, Nears 20 TFLOPs Horsepower​

Intel ARC Alchemist Graphics Card Renders. (Image Credits: MLID)
In a few months, Intel will unleash its first Arc Alchemist-powered graphics cards & we can already see the blue team evaluating the final samples which feature surprisingly good clock speeds.

Intel Arc Alchemist Graphics Card Now Clocking Up To 2.4 GHz With Months Left Till Launch, Final Variant Could Top 20 TFLOPs Horsepower​

Once again, Benchleaks has spotted a brand new entry of the Intel Arc Alchemist graphics card over in the Geekbench 5 database. The new entry is for the flagship Alchemist DG2 configuration which features 32 Xe Cores, 512 EUs, and 4096 ALUs. Now we have previously seen the same chip clocking up to 2.1 GHz but it looks like Intel has managed to squeeze out even more juice with the latest sample.




The benchmark states a maximum frequency of 2400 MHz for the GPU which puts it close to the 2.5 GHz+ clock speed of AMD's Navi 22 GPU which it will be competing against. We did hear that final retail units would be clocking in close to 2.4-2.5 GHz and that seems to be the case given the latest leak. In terms of FP32 horsepower, the GPU should be able to churn out close to 20 TFLOPs which is a significant gain over the 6700 XT and comes close to the RTX 3070 Ti though we have to remember that higher FLOPs don't necessarily mean better gaming performance as each GPU is based on a different architecture. The best example is the 6700 XT and the 3070 Ti which do come close to one another despite the latter offering 75% higher FP32 horsepower.

Intel ARC Alchemist vs NVIDIA GA104 & AMD Navi 22 GPUs​

Graphics Card Name	Intel ARC A780?	NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti	AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT
GPU Name	Alchemist DG-512	NVIDIA GA104	AMD Navi 22
Architecture	Xe-HPG	Ampere	RDNA 2
Process Node	TSMC 6nm	Samsung 8nm	TSMC 7nm
Die Size	~396mm2	392mm2	335mm2
FP32 Cores	32 Xe Cores	48 SM Units	40 Compute Units
FP32 Units	4096	6144	2560
Max Clock	~2400 MHz	1770 MHz	2581 MHz
FP32 TFLOPs	~20 TFLOPs	21.75 TFLOPs	13.21 TFLOPs
Memory Bus	256-bit	256-bit	192-bit
Memory Capacity	16 GB GDDR6	8 GB GDDR6X	12 GB GDDR6
Launch	Q1 2022	Q2 2021	Q1 2021

When it comes to OpenCL performance, it looks like Intel still has a lot of work to put within its Arc Alchemist drivers. The sample was only able to score 85,448 points in the benchmark which can be compared to an RTX 2060 SUPER. If you look at the performance of each individual benchmark, the Intel Arc Alchemist graphics card actually does surprisingly well despite its driver situation & only loses out (big time) in 4 out of the 12 tests which is why its performance looks underwhelming as of right now. But Intel still has some time to go before the first Arc Alchemist GPUs ship out and more specifically, the desktop variants which are confirmed for a Q2 2022 launch.


Intel Arc Alchemist Graphics Card running at 2.4 GHz compared to NVIDIA's RTX 3070 & AMD's RX 6700 XT. (Image Credits: @326powah)


Once again, this is preliminary performance and we expect the final Intel Arc Alchemist graphics cards to feature even higher clocks and faster performance with optimized drivers so stay tuned for more results in the coming weeks.

Intel ARC Alchemist vs NVIDIA GA104 & AMD Navi 22 GPUs​

Graphics Card Name	Intel ARC A780?	NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti	AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT
GPU Name	Alchemist DG-512	NVIDIA GA104	AMD Navi 22
Architecture	Xe-HPG	Ampere	RDNA 2
Process Node	TSMC 6nm	Samsung 8nm	TSMC 7nm
Die Size	~396mm2	392mm2	335mm2
FP32 Cores	32 Xe Cores	48 SM Units	40 Compute Units
FP32 Units	4096	6144	2560
Max Clock	~2400 MHz	1770 MHz	2581 MHz
FP32 TFLOPs	~20 TFLOPs	21.75 TFLOPs	13.21 TFLOPs
Memory Bus	256-bit	256-bit	192-bit
Memory Capacity	16 GB GDDR6	8 GB GDDR6X	12 GB GDDR6
Launch	Q1 2022	Q2 2021	Q1 2021

News Sources: Videocardz , 326powah

 

[Krion]

Intel Plans to Sell 4 Million ARC GPUs at an Average Price of $75, Slower than Ryzen 6000 RDNA 2 iGPUs​

Intel plans to ship at least 4 million ARC Alchemist graphics cards in 2022. But, you already knew that, didn’t you? Here’s something that actually raises eyebrows. For these 4 million GPUs, Intel only expects to earn $300 million in revenue, and the rest going to intra-company royalties. In a nutshell, the average selling price (ASP) of the 1st Gen ARC graphics cards will be a modest $75. That’s half as much as the MSRP of the GeForce GTX 1650, and a third of its present market price.

In reality, Intel expects to ship 4 million GPU units, but only earn $300M revenue on it with the rest being intra company royalties that are just made up?
That’s a ~$75 average selling price.
Is Intel just selling low-end GPUs to get market share?
They have 2 dies which they will sell, and the smaller of the two is only 128 execution units. For reference, the last generation Tiger Lake integrated GPU was 96 execution units, and next-generation Meteor Lake goes up to 192 execution units. The vast majority of Intel’s GPU volume will sell into the market at ~$75 or fewer ASPs and offer worse performance than AMD’s integrated graphics and worse than Intel’s next-generation iGPU as well.
SemiAnalysis

This makes us wonder whether the bulk of Intel’s discrete graphics cards will come in the form of the 128 EU units aimed at integrated graphics solutions. AMD’s newly launched Ryzen 9 6900HS featuring the RDNA 2 iGPU should have no trouble destroying these “dGPUs”.

It’s also highly likely that Intel is offering OEMs large-scale discounts for coupling its Alder Lake-P processors with the Arc Alchemist mobile graphics processors to boost reach. There are rumors of a post-sales payment model wherein the vendors will pay for the GPUs only after the notebooks are sold. Overall, Intel seems willing to fight dirty to grab a slice of the discrete graphics card market, and considering the state of the market, it’s only fair.

 

[LucianoBraga]

Intel Plans to Sell 4 Million ARC GPUs at an Average Price of $75, Slower than Ryzen 6000 RDNA 2 iGPUs​

Intel plans to ship at least 4 million ARC Alchemist graphics cards in 2022. But, you already knew that, didn’t you? Here’s something that actually raises eyebrows. For these 4 million GPUs, Intel only expects to earn $300 million in revenue, and the rest going to intra-company royalties. In a nutshell, the average selling price (ASP) of the 1st Gen ARC graphics cards will be a modest $75. That’s half as much as the MSRP of the GeForce GTX 1650, and a third of its present market price.

This makes us wonder whether the bulk of Intel’s discrete graphics cards will come in the form of the 128 EU units aimed at integrated graphics solutions. AMD’s newly launched Ryzen 9 6900HS featuring the RDNA 2 iGPU should have no trouble destroying these “dGPUs”.

It’s also highly likely that Intel is offering OEMs large-scale discounts for coupling its Alder Lake-P processors with the Arc Alchemist mobile graphics processors to boost reach. There are rumors of a post-sales payment model wherein the vendors will pay for the GPUs only after the notebooks are sold. Overall, Intel seems willing to fight dirty to grab a slice of the discrete graphics card market, and considering the state of the market, it’s only fair.

Tá errada a análise de potência.

A Xe integrada usa cores de primeira geração - que não têm, por exemplo, os "tensores" da Xe - e usam DDR4 3200 ou LPDDR4X 4267. Os clocks giram na casa dos 1.3Ghz. Meteor Lake pode ter cores de primeira geração e vai usar memória de sistema, então DDR4 ou DDR5.
Todas as dedicadas usam cores de segunda geração E GDDR6. Essa DG2-128 deve brigar com a 1650 Super.

 

[Yatahaze]

então, aproveitando o tópico, com a queda do BTC, ETH 2.0 e entrada de um novo player no segmento, podemos ter a esperança do mercado de GPUs voltar ao normal (ou se aproximar mais do que era)?

 

[LucianoBraga]

então, aproveitando o tópico, com a queda do BTC, ETH 2.0 e entrada de um novo player no segmento, podemos ter a esperança do mercado de GPUs voltar ao normal (ou se aproximar mais do que era)?

Baixar vai, mas preço pré-pandemia nunca mais.

 

[T1mp4s]

então, aproveitando o tópico, com a queda do BTC, ETH 2.0 e entrada de um novo player no segmento, podemos ter a esperança do mercado de GPUs voltar ao normal (ou se aproximar mais do que era)?

Com dolar acima de 5 reais? Jamais.

 

[RedCzar777]

então, aproveitando o tópico, com a queda do BTC, ETH 2.0 e entrada de um novo player no segmento, podemos ter a esperança do mercado de GPUs voltar ao normal (ou se aproximar mais do que era)?

Os preços já estão baixando, mas bem lentamente. Provavelmente com a entrada da Intel vão baixar ainda mais, mas voltar ao que era antes não volta mais. Muita coisa subiu de preço em toda a linha de produção e a logística de tudo isso é um pesadelo.

 

[Krion]

Intel ARC A380 Preliminary Benchmarks: 6GB GDDR6, RT Cores, Tensor Cores; Competes w/ RTX 3050​

Intel’s ARC Alchemist graphics cards are slated to land next month for mobile platforms and Q2 for desktop and DIY players. Ahead of the imminent release, SiSoft has complied the specifications (and some redundant benchmarks) of the A380, the entry-level SKU in the Alchemist lineup. It’s important to note that this particular SKU is one of the lower-end parts, and as such, shouldn’t be used to assume the capabilities of the full-fat 512 EU die:

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The A380 features 128 Vector Engines (previously execution units) which in turn consist of 8 ALUs. This results in an overall shader count of 1,024. Sixteen Vector Engines are organized into one Xe Core. You can read more about the Alchemist architecture here. Moving to the render backend, the A380 consists of 32 ROPs and 64 TMUs. This puts it on par with the AMD Radeon RX 6500 XT in terms of sheer shading capabilities, but below the RTX 3050. The L1 and L3 cache are once again half as much as the RTX 3050, with the shared memory being on par with the RX 6500 XT (still less than the RTX 3050).

In terms of memory, the A380 pairs 6GB of GDDR6 memory with a puny 96-bit bus. In comparison, the RTX 3050 features 8GB of GDDR6 memory with a 128-bit bus. The Radeon RX 6500 XT (the abomination it is) has a 64-bit bus paired with just 4GB of memory. In terms of instruction-level features, the ARC 380 is rather decent, boasting support for both hardware-accelerated ray-tracing as well as matrix multiplication or any other kind of Tensor workloads (XMX).

The compute-oriented GPGPU benchmarks aren’t a good representation of gaming performance. Regardless, the Intel ARC A380 falls between the Radeon RX 6500 XT and the GeForce RTX 3050, with the latter having a solid lead on account of its higher shader count and bandwidth.

Overall, the ARC A380 looks like a decent entry into the entry-level market, as long as Intel can keep the prices low. Even if the graphics card is slower than both its competitors, enforcing the MSRP will go a long way in ensuring Intel is respected in the PC gaming space.

 

[Icaruszin]

Essa plaquinha chegando a $150/R$1000 com desempenho de 1650 ia arregaçar com a AMD/NVIDIA. Não custa sonhar.

 

[Krion]

Sem falar que ela aparenta que terá só um pouco mais da metade do TPD que a RTX 3050 e a GTX 1660 Ti (que já é bem econômica).

 

[LucianoBraga]

Sabem aquele papo da Intel de Driver Day-0 pro Elden Ring?

Saiu não.