Star Wars Episode VIII - The Last Jedi (TÓPICO OFICIAL)

[m4sk4rinha]

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Cara, em termos de combate está mil vezes melhor do que quase tudo mostrado na série oficial até hoje, muito bom mesmo. RJ devia morrer de vergonha vendo um vídeo desse tendo apresentado ao público esse fiasco do TLJ, mesmo com tantos milhões a disposição. Os fâs que fizeram isso daí estão de parabéns. Até as atuações estão bem boas.

 

[Bloodstained]

Cara, em termos de combate está mil vezes melhor do que quase tudo mostrado na série oficial até hoje, muito bom mesmo. RJ devia morrer de vergonha vendo um vídeo desse tendo apresentado ao público esse fiasco do TLJ, mesmo com tantos milhões a disposição. Os fâs que fizeram isso daí estão de parabéns. Até as atuações estão bem boas.

Pois é, velho... Fiquei impressionado quando vi esse vídeo pela primeira vez, tempos atrás. Quando o pessoal começou a falar das coreografias, me lembrei dele e decidi compartilhá-lo aqui no tópico. Aproveitando o ensejo, vou deixar o vídeo do making off logo abaixo, para o caso de você ou algum dos demais participantes do tópico tiverem a curiosidade de ver como um grupo pequeno de pessoas conseguiu desbancar o bundão Johnson com folga, sobretudo no que tange as coreografias das cenas de ação.

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[Stranger_Eddie]

As lutas clássicas são maravilhosas justamente pq não tem malabarismos, e mais que tudo, são emocionais, o odio do Luke arrancando o braço do Vader esta entre as cenas mais fodas de todo cinema, e não envelhece, revi estes dias e cara como é foda, o Luke chega a babar quando arranca o a mão do Vader de tanta raiva que ele esta. Isso ai não tem CG e coreografia m**** que faça, depende de roteiro, boa direção e ator minimamente interessado.

As lutas de sabres na trilogia clássica, principalmente no o episódio 4, são excelentes porque envolvem princípios básicos do Kendo. Nesta técnica de luta tem como princípios o reconhecimento front a front do inimigo para os combate envolvem o telespectador com maestria. Nos demais filmes prévios e pós focam no ataque/defesa direto somado a coreografia para enaltecer a imagem do(s) personagens. Cenas até "aceitáveis" visualmente (alguns momentos) quando vemos a somatória de luzes de armas irreais (sabres) e o conceito, porém, jamais conseguiram transportar o efeito emocionante proporcionado mais próximo da técnica em conceito que foi bem aplicada na clássica trilogia.

 

[Bloodstained]

New 'Star Wars' Trilogy Is Failing Galactic Politics 101
Audiences spent the original films caring about the political future of the galaxy, only for it to become undone almost entirely offscreen

[Warning: This story contains spoilers for Star Wars: The Last Jedi]

I remember watching Star Wars for the first time, a late night television broadcast next to a roaring fire, encouraged by my father’s teases that I’d be watching “the best movie ever made.” We all know how it starts, the quiet promise of far off worlds and ancient stories followed by a sudden blast of text and symphonics sure to capture one’s imagination.

Then came the opening crawl, a confusing concoction of names and scenarios meant to give audiences the barest of frameworks for the events they were about to follow. The first Star Wars remains a daring work of blockbuster cinema; few films in the following decades have ever dared to abandon audiences in a world so foreign for such a long time. Now that it’s become a cornerstone of pop culture, all the characters and situations from that story seem evident and obvious, but Star Wars has always operated on a fine line between giving the audience too much information and not enough.

The original Star Wars threads that line expertly, slowly revealing more about its world and the complicated politics that define it. Even from the first striking image, we get a sense of the story we are being told: a small ship flees from an overwhelmingly large ship that looms overhead. If a picture is worth a thousand words, the opening of Star Wars is just about priceless, but that’s not always been true for this series (particularly of late).

Scene by scene we learn about the galactic Empire and its fascistic grip on the galaxy, both through what people tell us about them and through firsthand experience. Even on a planet as remote as Tatooine, the Empire has its Nazi-inspired Stormtroopers locking down cities, executing aunts, uncles and jawas alike, and engaging in giant-lizard mounted search patrols, all while Star Destroyers loom overhead.

Later, a meeting between Imperial officials and Darth Vader confirms the end of the Republic, dissolution of the Senate and the Empire's ultimate goal: centralized power, rule through fear and “order” across the galaxy. It’s an understandable political ethos, especially today, regardless of the knowledge that a dark wizard is secretly behind it all.

Meanwhile, a Rebellion has risen to fight the spread of the Empire. It moves quickly, strikes fast and recruits out from under the noses of the Imperial Academy. It operates with the ultimate goal of striking at the heart of the Empire and restoring a New Republic from its ashes. Its members believe in the values of the Jedi Order, now thought to be dead, and are inclusive toward aliens and women operating in their ranks (or so we gather over time).

Star Wars 1977​

The politics were simple, elegant, and obvious, a potent metaphor for any era. Anyone could go to any toy store and buy an action figure, clear on what it meant to be a Stormtrooper and what it meant to be a Rebel. As the series developed these political lines were expanded further. We learned about the Rebels’ fleet and of the Emperor’s truly evil intentions, witnessed the hostile takeover of Cloud City by the Empire (leveraging its power in a constantly changing deal) and how the Empire dealt harshly with innocent, teddy bear-like natives, and we ultimately celebrated their climactic defeat at the hands of the Rebellion.

And that’s where we left off before the start of this new trilogy of Star Wars films. After decades of theorizing, fan fiction and “Legacy” stories, The Force Awakens had the exciting task of updating fans of the series about what happened in the decades since we last saw our favorite characters and rooted for the Rebellion. Would we see a New Republic and what would it be like? Who would be the enemy of that Republic and what would our character’s places be in it? The opportunities were endless, with the possibility of giving audiences a brand-new vision for the series, but would also require a deft touch. Yes, the series would have to build on viewers’ knowledge of Star Wars history, but it could also do what A New Hope did: thrust us into a new scenario and slowly give us more information about what transpired to get us here.

As a huge fan of the series, looking back on the new films after the opening weekend of The Last Jedi, I have to admit an incredible frustration and disappointment in the result. While walking through my local Target, I could not help but feel like The Force Awakens had failed what I’m now dubbing the “toy test”: I couldn’t pick up a Star Wars toy and tell you who each character was and their political standings in the newest round of wars, as depicted in the films.

That’s not to say that all choices of political allegiances in these films should be binary: good versus evil; even the prequel trilogies, with their often overwrought delving into galactic politics, introduced the idea that perhaps this galaxy wasn’t as black and white as we formerly thought. What they should do is make sense, be consistent with what came before and presented in a way that audiences can follow. In both The Force Awakens and now The Last Jedi, I can’t help but feel that none of these are true, to the point that it undermines not only the stakes of these new movies, but also many of the wonderful thematics at play.

The opening crawl of The Force Awakens gave us our first cinematic look into what the galaxy had become in the years after Return of the Jedi. We are introduced, in full capital letters, to the FIRST ORDER, the REPUBLIC and the RESISTANCE, all of which apparently sprung forth from the ashes of the Galactic Empire. It’s a lot to take in, in Star Wars tradition, but the film does no work to fill in the gap and audiences’ expectations.

As viewers we never experience what it means that a New Republic exists and therefore can never really get a solid grasp of what they are fighting for; the only planets we see (Jakku, Takodana) are seemingly outside of the Republic’s jurisdiction. If not for a brief glimpse of Hosnian Prime, right before its destruction at the hands of Starkiller Base (more on that later), we’d never even have proof of the Republic’s existence. (Side note: Why are we able to see the destruction of the Hosnian system from Takodana’s surface? Are all these planets right next to each other?)

Then there’s the added complication of the Resistance, which The Force Awakens says was created “with the support of the Republic” and led by General Leia Organa (Carrie Fisher). The film does nothing to specify the difference between the Resistance and the Republic, so we must assume they are virtually one and the same and that the Resistance must be some sort of active army set against the First Order. It’s an unnecessary wrinkle in an already over-complicated setup, but easy enough to ferret out.

The First Order is something else entirely. The end of Return of the Jedi had everyone believing that if the Empire wasn’t ended altogether, it was reduced to a fraction of its former self: leaderless and crippled in every sense of the word. Now we are told that it’s become something else, the First Order, with an army of some size (comprising kidnapped children brainwashed into becoming soldiers), a fleet of ships, a Starkiller Base (much larger and more powerful than any Death Star) and led by a new Sith Lord named Supreme Leader Snoke (Andy Serkis).

It’s a lot to take in and even more to accept at face value, especially since it seems to undo nearly all of the achievements by the heroes of the original trilogy. The questions about this new status quo for the Star Wars universe seem endless, starting with “How was this First Order allowed to rise and what are their goals?” Not everything needs to be preserved in stone, but for a change this sizable an explanation would go a long way toward making an audience’s investments seem meaningful.

With the New Republic controlling the galaxy and the First Order rising to fight them, it seems the tables have been turned. Are the First Order the new version of the Rebellion, a small band of fighters out to destroy a galactic order they disagree with? We never really find out, except that they seem to be the Empire redux, a sort of cartoonish and exaggerated, hard-right version of their former selves but without a clear sense of purpose, just the fascist iconography and penchant for wholesale slaughter.

Fans should know that trusting that iconography could be misleading, even the clone troopers were good guy remixes of Stormtroopers, so it’s not safe to trust the armor as any sort of sign of political ethos. Are they just out to destroy things or to restore “order” to the galaxy? What exactly about the Republic’s rule do they find so objectionable? Even Finn’s (John Boyega) departure from the First Order isn’t about ideology or factional allegiance, but about the specific orders he’s asked to follow through on.

However, before we know it, the Starkiller Base destroys the entire Hosnian system and what seems to be the core of the Republic, right before they are ultimately destroyed themselves at the hands of the Resistance. Snoke, his apprentice Kylo Ren (Adam Driver), and General Hux (Domhnall Gleeson) flee the exploding planet and the First Order seems to be retreating, if not heavily damaged, from their encounter with the Resistance.

The film ends with so many of our questions unanswered but with the promise that the next film could help fill in some of the gaps: Who is Supreme Leader Snoke and how did he spark the First Order into existence? Would the Republic and all the systems it controlled strike back at the First Order, a la The Empire Strikes Back? Would the destruction of the Hosnian system plunge the galaxy into chaos or would the Republic recover from such a blow? Would the First Order become emboldened by their “victory”? What is the relationship between the Resistance and the Republic?

Instead of answers, The Last Jedi doubles down on the confusion and outright ignores that most of these questions exist. The film’s crawl opens with “The FIRST ORDER reigns. Having decimated the peaceful Republic, Supreme Leader Snoke now deploys the merciless legions to seize military control of the galaxy.” Apparently, the Hosnian system, which we barely saw, was the entirety of the Republic and the First Order was large enough to be ready, minutes later, to once again take control over the galaxy. How does this affect the rest of the galaxy? We’ll never know due to The Last Jedi’s decidedly limited scope.

Instead of the rest of the galaxy springing forth to get revenge on the First Order, under the Republic’s injured but far-reaching rule, no one seems to care (a point that becomes critical during the film’s climax). So why should we care? We spent the entire original trilogy caring about the political future of the galaxy only for it to become undone almost entirely offscreen. Not to mention that we’ve never been given time or reason to understand either the ethos of the Republic or the First Order. When Kylo Ren and the codebreaker DJ (Benicio Del Toro) suggest that both sides are evil and corrupt, how are we to know that’s not the case? The rest of the galaxy, based on its inaction toward these two small bands of people, seems to agree.

Yet, the entirety of the struggle in The Last Jedi counts on audiences caring about the success of the Resistance, which quickly seems to re-adopt the name and iconography of the Rebellion. But who are they rebelling against? A galaxy that doesn’t care?

The Internet has exploded over the lack of revelation about who Supreme Leader Snoke is, after being introduced as this awkward, shadowy, Emperor Palpatine-wannabe in The Force Awakens. But I suspect the furor is less over what his secret identity might have been and more about another missed opportunity to allow audiences to fill in the numerous gaps in the timeline, particularly regarding the rise of the First Order, the Sith and Kylo Ren’s turn in the time between Return of the Jedi and The Force Awakens. Couple this missed opportunity with the fact that everything we are being told to care about in The Last Jedi is built on the back of those desired answers and you’ve got a recipe for disaster.

I feel Disney and Lucasfilm can no longer ignore providing these answers in the cinematic world of Star Wars, even if they plan on addressing them in other, less-followed parts of their transmedia Star Wars canon. The Last Jedi proved they desire to counter fans’ expectations, often in wonderful ways (Rey’s parentage was the only smart way to go with the character), but they can’t be subversive if they’ve built their foundations on a confusing and muddled swamp of galactic politics.

I had hoped that The Last Jedi would provide clarity and rationale that would allow me to reinvest in the politics of the Star Wars universe, but instead the suggestion seems to be that no one quite understands or cares about either the First Order or the Republic/Resistance/Rebellion. Am I the only one who feels like we are watching an increasingly irrelevant squabble between two factions that have long since forgotten their goals and are only left to faintly echo the past?

More likely perhaps is that the irrelevant squabble is none other than the one in my mind, as Disney rockets forward towards Episode IX and I’m left playing with my toys, confused and disappointed.


Fonte

 

[Stranger_Eddie]

New 'Star Wars' Trilogy Is Failing Galactic Politics 101
Audiences spent the original films caring about the political future of the galaxy, only for it to become undone almost entirely offscreen

[Warning: This story contains spoilers for Star Wars: The Last Jedi]

I remember watching Star Wars for the first time, a late night television broadcast next to a roaring fire, encouraged by my father’s teases that I’d be watching “the best movie ever made.” We all know how it starts, the quiet promise of far off worlds and ancient stories followed by a sudden blast of text and symphonics sure to capture one’s imagination.

Then came the opening crawl, a confusing concoction of names and scenarios meant to give audiences the barest of frameworks for the events they were about to follow. The first Star Wars remains a daring work of blockbuster cinema; few films in the following decades have ever dared to abandon audiences in a world so foreign for such a long time. Now that it’s become a cornerstone of pop culture, all the characters and situations from that story seem evident and obvious, but Star Wars has always operated on a fine line between giving the audience too much information and not enough.

The original Star Wars threads that line expertly, slowly revealing more about its world and the complicated politics that define it. Even from the first striking image, we get a sense of the story we are being told: a small ship flees from an overwhelmingly large ship that looms overhead. If a picture is worth a thousand words, the opening of Star Wars is just about priceless, but that’s not always been true for this series (particularly of late).

Scene by scene we learn about the galactic Empire and its fascistic grip on the galaxy, both through what people tell us about them and through firsthand experience. Even on a planet as remote as Tatooine, the Empire has its Nazi-inspired Stormtroopers locking down cities, executing aunts, uncles and jawas alike, and engaging in giant-lizard mounted search patrols, all while Star Destroyers loom overhead.

Later, a meeting between Imperial officials and Darth Vader confirms the end of the Republic, dissolution of the Senate and the Empire's ultimate goal: centralized power, rule through fear and “order” across the galaxy. It’s an understandable political ethos, especially today, regardless of the knowledge that a dark wizard is secretly behind it all.

Meanwhile, a Rebellion has risen to fight the spread of the Empire. It moves quickly, strikes fast and recruits out from under the noses of the Imperial Academy. It operates with the ultimate goal of striking at the heart of the Empire and restoring a New Republic from its ashes. Its members believe in the values of the Jedi Order, now thought to be dead, and are inclusive toward aliens and women operating in their ranks (or so we gather over time).

Star Wars 1977​

The politics were simple, elegant, and obvious, a potent metaphor for any era. Anyone could go to any toy store and buy an action figure, clear on what it meant to be a Stormtrooper and what it meant to be a Rebel. As the series developed these political lines were expanded further. We learned about the Rebels’ fleet and of the Emperor’s truly evil intentions, witnessed the hostile takeover of Cloud City by the Empire (leveraging its power in a constantly changing deal) and how the Empire dealt harshly with innocent, teddy bear-like natives, and we ultimately celebrated their climactic defeat at the hands of the Rebellion.

And that’s where we left off before the start of this new trilogy of Star Wars films. After decades of theorizing, fan fiction and “Legacy” stories, The Force Awakens had the exciting task of updating fans of the series about what happened in the decades since we last saw our favorite characters and rooted for the Rebellion. Would we see a New Republic and what would it be like? Who would be the enemy of that Republic and what would our character’s places be in it? The opportunities were endless, with the possibility of giving audiences a brand-new vision for the series, but would also require a deft touch. Yes, the series would have to build on viewers’ knowledge of Star Wars history, but it could also do what A New Hope did: thrust us into a new scenario and slowly give us more information about what transpired to get us here.

As a huge fan of the series, looking back on the new films after the opening weekend of The Last Jedi, I have to admit an incredible frustration and disappointment in the result. While walking through my local Target, I could not help but feel like The Force Awakens had failed what I’m now dubbing the “toy test”: I couldn’t pick up a Star Wars toy and tell you who each character was and their political standings in the newest round of wars, as depicted in the films.

That’s not to say that all choices of political allegiances in these films should be binary: good versus evil; even the prequel trilogies, with their often overwrought delving into galactic politics, introduced the idea that perhaps this galaxy wasn’t as black and white as we formerly thought. What they should do is make sense, be consistent with what came before and presented in a way that audiences can follow. In both The Force Awakens and now The Last Jedi, I can’t help but feel that none of these are true, to the point that it undermines not only the stakes of these new movies, but also many of the wonderful thematics at play.

The opening crawl of The Force Awakens gave us our first cinematic look into what the galaxy had become in the years after Return of the Jedi. We are introduced, in full capital letters, to the FIRST ORDER, the REPUBLIC and the RESISTANCE, all of which apparently sprung forth from the ashes of the Galactic Empire. It’s a lot to take in, in Star Wars tradition, but the film does no work to fill in the gap and audiences’ expectations.

As viewers we never experience what it means that a New Republic exists and therefore can never really get a solid grasp of what they are fighting for; the only planets we see (Jakku, Takodana) are seemingly outside of the Republic’s jurisdiction. If not for a brief glimpse of Hosnian Prime, right before its destruction at the hands of Starkiller Base (more on that later), we’d never even have proof of the Republic’s existence. (Side note: Why are we able to see the destruction of the Hosnian system from Takodana’s surface? Are all these planets right next to each other?)

Then there’s the added complication of the Resistance, which The Force Awakens says was created “with the support of the Republic” and led by General Leia Organa (Carrie Fisher). The film does nothing to specify the difference between the Resistance and the Republic, so we must assume they are virtually one and the same and that the Resistance must be some sort of active army set against the First Order. It’s an unnecessary wrinkle in an already over-complicated setup, but easy enough to ferret out.

The First Order is something else entirely. The end of Return of the Jedi had everyone believing that if the Empire wasn’t ended altogether, it was reduced to a fraction of its former self: leaderless and crippled in every sense of the word. Now we are told that it’s become something else, the First Order, with an army of some size (comprising kidnapped children brainwashed into becoming soldiers), a fleet of ships, a Starkiller Base (much larger and more powerful than any Death Star) and led by a new Sith Lord named Supreme Leader Snoke (Andy Serkis).

It’s a lot to take in and even more to accept at face value, especially since it seems to undo nearly all of the achievements by the heroes of the original trilogy. The questions about this new status quo for the Star Wars universe seem endless, starting with “How was this First Order allowed to rise and what are their goals?” Not everything needs to be preserved in stone, but for a change this sizable an explanation would go a long way toward making an audience’s investments seem meaningful.

With the New Republic controlling the galaxy and the First Order rising to fight them, it seems the tables have been turned. Are the First Order the new version of the Rebellion, a small band of fighters out to destroy a galactic order they disagree with? We never really find out, except that they seem to be the Empire redux, a sort of cartoonish and exaggerated, hard-right version of their former selves but without a clear sense of purpose, just the fascist iconography and penchant for wholesale slaughter.

Fans should know that trusting that iconography could be misleading, even the clone troopers were good guy remixes of Stormtroopers, so it’s not safe to trust the armor as any sort of sign of political ethos. Are they just out to destroy things or to restore “order” to the galaxy? What exactly about the Republic’s rule do they find so objectionable? Even Finn’s (John Boyega) departure from the First Order isn’t about ideology or factional allegiance, but about the specific orders he’s asked to follow through on.

However, before we know it, the Starkiller Base destroys the entire Hosnian system and what seems to be the core of the Republic, right before they are ultimately destroyed themselves at the hands of the Resistance. Snoke, his apprentice Kylo Ren (Adam Driver), and General Hux (Domhnall Gleeson) flee the exploding planet and the First Order seems to be retreating, if not heavily damaged, from their encounter with the Resistance.

The film ends with so many of our questions unanswered but with the promise that the next film could help fill in some of the gaps: Who is Supreme Leader Snoke and how did he spark the First Order into existence? Would the Republic and all the systems it controlled strike back at the First Order, a la The Empire Strikes Back? Would the destruction of the Hosnian system plunge the galaxy into chaos or would the Republic recover from such a blow? Would the First Order become emboldened by their “victory”? What is the relationship between the Resistance and the Republic?

Instead of answers, The Last Jedi doubles down on the confusion and outright ignores that most of these questions exist. The film’s crawl opens with “The FIRST ORDER reigns. Having decimated the peaceful Republic, Supreme Leader Snoke now deploys the merciless legions to seize military control of the galaxy.” Apparently, the Hosnian system, which we barely saw, was the entirety of the Republic and the First Order was large enough to be ready, minutes later, to once again take control over the galaxy. How does this affect the rest of the galaxy? We’ll never know due to The Last Jedi’s decidedly limited scope.

Instead of the rest of the galaxy springing forth to get revenge on the First Order, under the Republic’s injured but far-reaching rule, no one seems to care (a point that becomes critical during the film’s climax). So why should we care? We spent the entire original trilogy caring about the political future of the galaxy only for it to become undone almost entirely offscreen. Not to mention that we’ve never been given time or reason to understand either the ethos of the Republic or the First Order. When Kylo Ren and the codebreaker DJ (Benicio Del Toro) suggest that both sides are evil and corrupt, how are we to know that’s not the case? The rest of the galaxy, based on its inaction toward these two small bands of people, seems to agree.

Yet, the entirety of the struggle in The Last Jedi counts on audiences caring about the success of the Resistance, which quickly seems to re-adopt the name and iconography of the Rebellion. But who are they rebelling against? A galaxy that doesn’t care?

The Internet has exploded over the lack of revelation about who Supreme Leader Snoke is, after being introduced as this awkward, shadowy, Emperor Palpatine-wannabe in The Force Awakens. But I suspect the furor is less over what his secret identity might have been and more about another missed opportunity to allow audiences to fill in the numerous gaps in the timeline, particularly regarding the rise of the First Order, the Sith and Kylo Ren’s turn in the time between Return of the Jedi and The Force Awakens. Couple this missed opportunity with the fact that everything we are being told to care about in The Last Jedi is built on the back of those desired answers and you’ve got a recipe for disaster.

I feel Disney and Lucasfilm can no longer ignore providing these answers in the cinematic world of Star Wars, even if they plan on addressing them in other, less-followed parts of their transmedia Star Wars canon. The Last Jedi proved they desire to counter fans’ expectations, often in wonderful ways (Rey’s parentage was the only smart way to go with the character), but they can’t be subversive if they’ve built their foundations on a confusing and muddled swamp of galactic politics.

I had hoped that The Last Jedi would provide clarity and rationale that would allow me to reinvest in the politics of the Star Wars universe, but instead the suggestion seems to be that no one quite understands or cares about either the First Order or the Republic/Resistance/Rebellion. Am I the only one who feels like we are watching an increasingly irrelevant squabble between two factions that have long since forgotten their goals and are only left to faintly echo the past?

More likely perhaps is that the irrelevant squabble is none other than the one in my mind, as Disney rockets forward towards Episode IX and I’m left playing with my toys, confused and disappointed.


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Minha opinião sobre a "politicagem" por episódio (bem resumido e no geral):

- ep.1 é pura política (o mais político da saga em filmes) com separatistas vs república / bloqueio de fronteiras contra federação, etc;
- ep.2 na continuação da negociata de separatistas com Siths para inicio das guerras clônicas = armas/tropas/e o escambal a 4... negociadas de Siths com intenção de força bélica assim como na parte Jedi com Obi Wan indo a Kamino / Yoda confirmar o poderio bélico~fica nas entrelinhas... Depois inicio direto ao confronto que se daria a guerra clônica desferida;
- ep.3 já no meio das guerras sobre a busca dos lideres separatistas (Greivious/Dooku) / senador Palpatine se tornando líder extremo e início da ascensão ao Império pós revelação;
- Rougue One, não tem negociata política, é o Império no comando extremo impositor as regras definidas, a caça final da nave aonde está Leia segue a seguir e ai sim define pontos políticos;
- ep. 4 (com uma pegada bem política nas entrelinhas), com a princesa sendo caçada/capturada pelo Império contra os rebeldes + Império usando a força extrema-bruta com a Death Star / a Leia como uma peça chave a ser capturada pelo Império...
- ep. 5 com o Império na caça a rebeldes enviando sondas até achar base e depois mandar tropas terrestres (AT-ATs) tudo em busca de lideranças rebeldes (mais destacada a Leia);
- ep. 6 quase não vejo politicagem, só desfechos e continuações aos fatos ocorridos dos antecessores;
- ep. 7 não tem negociata política, só pancadaria direta opressora da Nova Ordem em busca de um Jedi (Luke) e contra demais que resistem ao poderio bélico da Nova Ordem que sai dizimando tudo;

- ep. 8, é uma bagunça completa, se olhar friamente e fechar os olhos para todos os defeitos, o começo (só o começo que fique claro), é apenas uma caçada ao restolho de rebeldes e a intenção não é captura nem negociata e só retaliação e continuada a busca por uma "ameça"=Luke que Snoke busca de forma frenética dês do ep.7... O resultado não dá pra definir este filme.

 

[Bloodstained]

Mark Hamill: "I feel like a prisoner"
For the video release of Star Wars 8, Luke Skywalker received us in Ireland, where took part of the shooting. Meeting of a rare franchise

Mark Hamill drops heavily on a chair, his breathing breaks in a death rattle to the Darth Vader - the short journey between the rooms where he gives his interviews in a Dublin hotel seems to have run out of breath. "When I climbed the 600 steps of Skellig Island (off Ireland , where was shot in part Star Wars 8 ), I had to take breaks every fifteen minutes," he says. One contemplates his tired face, wondering where has passed the youthful ardor of the sexagenarian. When we saw it last July in Los Angeles, at the D23(the biennial mass organized by Disney where the studio presents its novelties), Mark Hamill seemed in great shape, signed autographs to the chain and responded enthusiastically to journalists ...

He interrupts our reverie with a resigned tone: "So, what do you want to know? "Everything - his intimate relationship to Luke Skywalker, his philosophical and metaphysical analysis of the character, his feeling about the critics against The Last Jedi , his relationship with Disney ... But we will have to settle for little. The time allotted for this interview was, at the request of the interested party, revised downwards. Coming to promote the video output of Episode VIII (available today in VoD, DVD and Blu - ray), in partnership with Visit Ireland , Mark Hamill is visibly exhausted.

Mark Hamill in Star Wars: The Last Jedi.​

So, rather than dissecting Luke's personality or debating his influence in pop culture, he evokes the turn that the Lucas saga takes. Last December, he said he was "shocked" by the performance of Rian Johnson, director of The Last Jedis , which brought radical changes to the character of Skywalker. A few weeks later, the star backpedaled, saying regret his words and subscribe to this development. Today, he reaffirms his initial position ... taking more tweezers: "It's not just me. The fans would have wanted Luke's fate to take another direction. I like being out of my comfort zone, but that was pretty extreme. "

"Disney-Lucasfilm must slow down the pace with Star Wars."​

Hamill admits that it was difficult to respect Johnson's wishes because he feels, in a way, a "feeling of ownership" for Luke. " It's hard. Fans have had so many reactions ranging from Star Wars 8 is the best Star Wars of all time to You ruined my childhood. But understand that I am only the sous-chef. The director creates the recipe, and I just run it as best I can so everyone thinks it's the best thing you've ever had. The current trilogy is a "new generation" affair, he says. "It always reflects an era. The movies say it: we must forget the past, kill it if you must. You do not have to be an expert psychologist to understand that the actor does not really adhere to this vision of things. Accustomed to the often highly polished character of promotional interviews, we are surprised to hear it positively questioning the industrialization of the franchise, the production of the film channel that will eventually spoil the soul of a venerated saga. Rogue One, but still believes that Disney-Lucasfilm "must slow down the pace with Star Wars . We will end up saturating if we do not see the end. The old films were released every three years. Now the feature films come out every 5 months! It's not for me to tell Disney what to do, but they still have to be careful about over-saturation. "

Chased by autograph traffickers
Even the merchandising, which amused him so much at the time of the original trilogy, leaves him today a bitter taste. If he keeps a fanboy soul and always loves to share with fans, he is wary of the "big business" that has become entertainment marketing. "If I sign a poster, it always takes a lot of value, not because I'm a great actor, but because it's business. I am hunted by autograph traffickers waiting for me wherever I go. The problem is that I love fans, but we can not differentiate them from these people, and sometimes I sign something, and the next minute he finds himself on eBay . The worst is when kids send me photos on Twitterwondering if it's my signature! I hate breaking their bubble by answering them no. I would like to have special glasses that would distinguish fans from these traffickers. I feel like a mercenary prisoner, "he laments.

Mark Hamill performs at the St. Patrick's Day Parade in Dublin on March 17, 2018.​

The star always complies with the few fantasies that are demanded of her, such as scrolling in Rolls-Royce convertible, a plaid on her knees, at the parade of St. Patrick's Day at the invitation of the Dublin Tourist Board. She ensures the show 100%, multiplying the mimicry, the features of humor, thumbs up and arms in the air to entertain the fans. But we wonder if the heart is still there.

Mark Hamill speaks with nostalgia of a man who has gradually lost his bearings with the departure of Harrison Ford and the death of Carrie Fischer. "The hard part was saying goodbye to my sister. On the set of new movies, I went all the time in his dressing room, and vice versa, because we had too much fun together. I had a thing for her when we were young, but I always said that it must be the kind of tough girlfriend, which takes your breath away, but we regret forever. Remains George Lucas, whom he calls "regularly" despite his retirement. We imagine them comforting each other. "It will never be the same again without him. When I have George on the phone, we are talking about the 7th and the 8th. But I will not betray his trust and I will keep what he tells me confidential. I'm sure it was very hard for him to let go of his creation, just as it is for me to be part of something when he is no longer our guide. But you have to cash in and hope for the best. Hope the best, but expect the worst. "*


*Texto traduzido através do Google Tradutor.
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Rapaz, é tão bom ter Mark Hamill no Lado Negro da Força. Se fode aí, Disney!

 

[Bloodstained]

ILM Exec Says Female 'Star Wars' Director is "Going to Happen"

One of the biggest joys of the Star Wars saga is seeing a diverse cast of characters and creatures embarking on incredible adventures. In recent years, many fans have grown frustrated by the lack of diversity behind the camera, particularly when Lucasfilm has selected directors, producers, and writers for its variety of projects. General Manager of Lucasfilm and president of ILM, Lynwen Brennan, claims the studio hiring a female director is an inevitability.

“I think it’s certainly something we’re keen on and there are some fantastic directors out there,” Brennan shared with WalesOnline. “It’s going to happen!"

Lucasfilm as a whole might have a large number of women in high-ranking positions, such as president Kathleen Kennedy, though fans continue to push for women being hired in key filmmaking positions in hopes of offering a different perspective of the galaxy far, far away.

“Kathy’s leadership team has always been 50 percent women because they happen to be the best at their job," Brennan pointed out. "We haven’t had a quota at that leadership stage, however we are getting a lot more pragmatic and specific about not accepting the level we have regarding women in visual effects and technology."

One frustration of the studio is that a majority of positions in the special effects field are held by men, with ILM able to find a healthier gender balance.

"At the moment 75 percent of the people in visual effects are men and that’s unacceptable," Brennan expressed. "Our ratio at ILM is better than that, but it’s still not enough.”

Brennan isn't the only one promising there's change coming to the series, with filmmaker Rian Johnson, who will be creating a trilogy of Star Wars films unrelated to the Skywalker Saga, claiming that change was a necessity.

"We need some directors who aren't white dudes," Johnson shared with the L.A. Times. "And [Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy] knows it, too. It just has to happen. I mean, come on. It has to happen."

The filmmaker went on to imply that the studio is aware of the frustrations of fans and aim to correct the issue.

"The thing is, I don't feel that the powers that be are pushing back on new or unprecedented stuff," Johnson pointed out. "Quite the contrary. I feel like Disney and Lucasfilm and Kathy are actively looking for filmmakers and voices that are going to push it forward because they know that's the only way it can stay alive."


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Não há nenhuma agenda ideológica movendo a LucasFilm não, gente... Ignorem os parágrafos que deixei em negrito e o fato deles deixarem absolutamente claro que gênero é mais importante que mérito, ao menos para as pessoas que estão gerindo Star Wars no momento. Ignorem também o fato de que esses sexistas obcecados são os primeiros a acusar os fãs de sexismo ou misoginia, quando tentam fazer pouco caso de suas críticas. E, se possível, ignorem também o fato de que Star Wars irá cavar cada vez mais fundo o buraco escuro no qual se encontra, visando agradar os engajadinhos seguidores da famigerada agenda. Nesse caso, o fundo do poço NÃO vai ser o limite.

 

[Goris]

Não há nenhuma agenda ideológica movendo a LucasFilm não, gente... Ignorem os parágrafos que deixei em negrito e o fato deles deixarem absolutamente claro que gênero é mais importante que mérito, ao menos para as pessoas que estão gerindo Star Wars no momento. Ignorem também o fato de que esses sexistas obcecados são os primeiros a acusar os fãs de sexismo ou misoginia, quando tentam fazer pouco caso de suas críticas. E, se possível, ignorem também o fato de que Star Wars irá cavar cada vez mais fundo o buraco escuro no qual se encontra, visando agradar os engajadinhos seguidores da famigerada agenda. Nesse caso, o fundo do poço NÃO vai ser o limite.

Você não negritou a frase "In recent years, many fans have grown frustrated by the lack of diversity behind the camera" e acho que deveria. A frase é quase a mesma de outros dois textos em que a LucasFilm fala sobre diversidade. Numa delas eu até comentei "Os fãs estão frustados com a falta de diversidade? Que fãs?" (ou será que eu respondi em outro fórum?).

Ou seja, já é sinal que enviaram o texto com os temas básicos "fãs tristes pela falta de diversidade sendo um deles" e os autores só escrevem por cima.

 

[Bloodstained]

Você não negritou a frase "In recent years, many fans have grown frustrated by the lack of diversity behind the camera" e acho que deveria. A frase é quase a mesma de outros dois textos em que a LucasFilm fala sobre diversidade. Numa delas eu até comentei "Os fãs estão frustados com a falta de diversidade? Que fãs?" (ou será que eu respondi em outro fórum?).

Ou seja, já é sinal que enviaram o texto com os temas básicos "fãs tristes pela falta de diversidade sendo um deles" e os autores só escrevem por cima.

Tem razão, meu caro. Vou até voltar no texto e destacá-la também. Quanto aos "fãs" em questão, são aqueles que nunca se importaram com a franquia, até a megera ir lá e sinalizar para eles que Star Wars iria passar a seguir a famigerada agenda. Como bem sabemos, esses são os únicos "fãs" frustrados com essa baboseira de falta de diversidade.

Os demais (aqueles que sustentaram a franquia por décadas a fio), não dão a mínima para isso: a única coisa que eles desejavam, era que a franquia se mantivesse fiel à mitologia e ao cânone estabelecido nos filmes anteriores. Não só tiveram esse único anseio totalmente negado, como foram enxotados sob acusações de serem sexistas, misóginos, racistas, taxistas, diaristas, etc., etc., etc.... E agora a Disney ainda fica se fazendo de rogada, como se não entendesse o motivo da reação adversa desses fãs.

 

[Iron_Sword]

O engraçado é que o universo expandido antigo tinha várias personagens femininas, desde importantes até coadjuvantes. A primeira líder da nova república foi a Mon Mothma, a segunda foi a Leia, só depois um homem, que alias um é alien, assumiu o cargo de lider, o bothan Borsk Fey-lya.
Um dos primeiros lideres dos imperial remnants após a queda do Palpatine foi uma mulher, a diretora de inteligência Yssanne Isard, depois de vários outros ainda teve a almirante Daala (que liderou o império 2x). Quem criou os destróieres imperiais e os dreadnaught classe executor (nave do Vader nos ep 5 e 6) tbm foi uma mulher e uma das principais cientistas no desenvolvimento da estrela da morte foi uma mulher (alien tbm).
No inicio da guerra contra os Yuuzhan Vong, dos 12 pilotos do Rogue Squadron, principal esquadrão de caças da nova república desde a época da rebelião, umas 5 eram mulheres, o esquadrão era liderado por um homem (primo mais novo do amigo bigodudo do Luke no ep 4) mas tinha 2 mulheres como sublíderes, e além disso Jaina Solo que aos 16 anos já tinha nível de piloto de elite (e não era boa "pq sim", além do talento e da força ela realmente treinou muito) e era uma das protagonistas da saga tbm fazia parte do esquadrão.
Vários jedi da nova ordem eram mulheres, incluindo mestras, vários tbm eram aliens. A primeira pessoa da galáxia a enfrentar e vencer um guerreiro de elite dos Yuuzhan Vong em combate foi a Mara Jade, que mesmo estando muito doente conseguiu vencer, lembrando que ela não podia nem usar a força nele pois a força não afeta os Yuuzhan Vong, e tbm nunca tinha enfrentado um deles e não conhecia nada da tecnologia orgânica deles. Além disso várias militares mulheres na nova república e até algumas nos imperial remnants (o império nunca gostou muito de mulheres nas forças armadas), incluindo uma Moff.
Várias cientistas tbm, governadoras, senadoras, etc... O conselho de governo da nova república era formado por maioria masculina (incluindo vários aliens) mas os mais importantes para a história eram o Borsk Fey-lya e a senadora de Kuat, Viqi Shesh, que tem papel de semi vilã na história, os outros estavam lá só pra fazer numero. Quem liderava os Hutts era uma Hutt fêmea, lembrando que os Hutt são hermafroditas e "escolhem" se querem assumir personalidade masculina ou feminina. Tem também os Hapans, um governo formado por piratas uns milhares de anos antes, que vivia isolado em uma região da galáxia, e que era um matriarcado onde homens tinham bem pouco poder político.
E a saga tem 7 personagens principais, Luke, Leia, Han, Mara, Jaina, Jacen e Anakin, ou seja, dos 7 3 são mulheres, que nunca são retratadas como "princesas precisando de resgate", a Leia continua sendo uma das figuras mais importantes na nova republica, a Mara Jade continua sendo mais bad-ass do que 90% dos personagens da saga e a Jaina vem seguindo o mesmo caminho da tia. As 2 aliás estavam entre os personagens mais populares entre os fãs... E isso que só citei algumas coisas de SW pós ep 6, nem cheguei a falar de outras eras que tem personagens fodas como a Darth Traya.

Negócio é que a Disney precisa gerar barulho, marketing puro, então quando eles mentem dizendo que as mulheres nunca tiverem espaço na saga estão querendo ganhar grana com o barulho que isso vai gerar. A EA fez algo parecido com o Battlefront II, quando alguém comentava "uau, pela primeira vez vamos ver a história pelo lado do império", ninguém da EA dizia que isso já tinha acontecido várias vezes, o importante era gerar hype, pré-venda, lootboxes.

Só espero que pelo menos comecem a criar personagens bons, pq tanto homens quanto mulheres estão bem sem graça nesse novo canon, e até já disse aqui, a Rey não é nem 10% do carisma de uma Mara Jade ou Jaina Solo.

 

[Goris]

A matéria abaixo não se trata de Star Wars - foi escrita em 2009 - mas assim que li vi minhas críticas ao filme bem escritas e não dava pra não compartilhar:

We don’t need another hero?
Cardoso 08/04/2009

Uma das constatações da vida é que nossos ídolos têm pés de barro, esqueletos no armário. Ninguém está livre. O primeiro estadista a promover uma campanha nacional antifumo, o primeiro a patrocinar pesquisa científica séria que associou fumo a câncer e outras doenças tinha atividades paralelas que acabaram diminuindo sua imagem como Campeão da Saúde.

Não há nada errado em ter modelos, mas ao atribuir status de perfeição eles se distanciam da humanidade, o que dá margem a posições no mínimo ridículas, como a Igreja Católica na Idade Média defendendo que “Jesus não ria”.

Vamos a um exemplo: Os cristãos dizem “Jesus se fez Homem”, “O verbo virou carne” e outras alegorias. OK. Pergunte em um fórum cristão: “Jesus peidava?”

Imediatamente teremos uma mini-inquisição, um monte de gente se sentirá ofendida, achará um absurdo, bla bla bla.

Gente, ou era Gente ou não era Gente. Se era gente, peidava. Até mulheres bonitas peidam, os Mythbusters já comprovaram.

Se você precisa de ídolos, exemplos, líderes perfeitos, você tem problemas. Se você precisa da perfeição de seus ídolos para acreditar em seus exemplos, você tem mais problemas ainda.

Na maioria dos casos a inspiração causada pelos ídolos é muito maior do que eles mesmos. Neste post do Chapéu, Chicote e Carbono-14 o autor comenta:

Eu sei, estou careca de saber, que o bom e velho Henry “Indiana”
Jones Jr. não é exatamente o sujeito adequado para refletir como é a
arqueologia na vida real. PelamordeDeus, o cara é praticamente um
ladrão de tumbas. Contexto arqueológico? Não trabalhamos. (Também nem
dava. Toda vez que o principal artefato era tocado, o sítio inteiro
desabava…)

E, no entanto, pataquadas à parte, Indy e companhia bela conseguiram
inculcar em jovens mentes impressionáveis (tipo a minha aos nove anos
de idade) o essencial: o passado pode ser uma aventura. E o passado importa. Portanto, é uma honra colocar a surrada fedora na cabeça, nem que seja metaforicamente. Vamos em frente.

Não é só ele. Scotty era um péssimo engenheiro, sempre inventando gambiarras e maceteando os sistemas de segurança da Enterprise. Pombas, ele cometia fraude de forma institucionalizada, multiplicando por 4 os prazos, para ganhar fama de milagreiro.

Dr McCoy então vivia perdendo pacientes, fazia tratamentos não-homologados, chegou a atender pacientes estando bêbado.

Lara Croft – Outra arqueóloga que inspirou muitos jovens
Mesmo assim toda uma geração de médicos e engenheiros foi formada por inspiração desses dois. DeForrest Kelly conta que já nem lembra mais quantos médicos o encontraram e disseram que resolveram seguir carreira por sua causa. James Doohan era recebido por engenheiros e cientistas de verdade como um de seus pares.

Quando Nichelle Nichols pensou em sair de Star Trek, por não fazer mais do que serviço de telefonista da Enterprise, o Dr Martin Luther King Jr a convenceu a ficar, pois era um exemplo para milhares de meninas negras.

Em 1992 a Dra Mae Jemison se tornou a primeira mulher negra astronauta. Sua inspiração? A Tenente Uhura, de Star Trek.

Nichelle Nichols foi amante de Gene Roddenberry, e muito provavelmente por isso conseguiu o papel.

E DAÍ?

Eu vejo um movimento muito ruim de “destruição de ídolos”, há todo um grupo que tem prazer em dizer “fulano não presta”, referenciando-se a todo e qualquer ser humano que ouse sair do lago de m**** que é a mediocridade corrente.

Uma vez um sujeito em uma lista reclamou da série ROMA, da HBO, dizendo que mostrava Julio Cesar de forma muito mundana, que não era bom que figuras históricas agissem como gente de verdade, que isso era um “desrespeito”.

Discordo totalmente.

O Reinaldo, do Carbono-14 não é o primeiro nem será o último a se interessar por arqueologia graças a Indiana Jones. Não será o primeiro nem o último a perceber que Indy não é perfeito. Espero que ele perceba, isso sim, que não é necessário ser perfeito para INSPIRAR outros.

Criar ideais inatingíveis é uma forma de controle, garante que no máximo as pessoas almejarão ficar abaixo de você, seu posto está garantido. Destruir ídolos também é uma forma de garantir a mediocridade. Se ninguém vale nada, para quê se esforçar?


Fonte: Contraditorium

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Engraçado como penso parecido com ele em muitos aspectos.

Poxa, eu digo exatamente o mesmo do The Last Jedi! Eles destroem ídolos, mas não constroem nada em seu lugar, são como bárbaros burros e ignorantes destruindo, pilhando e queimando e deixando terra arrasada por trás de seu rastro.

 

[Bloodstained]

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[Goris]

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O legal de ter visto este vídeo é na parte final em que ele fala das vendas de Blu-Ray de Star wars.
=>Primeira semana de vendas e o filme fica em primeiro lugar.
Sem segundo Jumanji, em sua segunda semana caiu pra segundo lugar, seguido de Coco - A Vida é uma Festa, que estava em sua quinta semana.

Fonte: Variety.com
=> Segunda semana e o filme já cai pra segundo lugar atrás de... O Rei do Show, musical de Hugh Jackman.
Nada contra musicais e Hugh Jackman, mas um sucesso de 1.3 bilhão de dolares cair da primeira posição em apenas uma semana para... Um musical... Bom, como não vi o filme, de repente é um sucesso e eu perdi a chance, nao sei. Jumanji continua firme e forte em terceiro lugar.

Fonte: Variety.com tbm.

Claro que as vendas podem ter sido compensatórias pra Disney, só mais pra frente pra sabermos e compararmos as vendas.

 

[Goris]

Opa, update.

The Last Jedi enviou para as prateleiras de lojas 375 mil cópias nos primeiros 3 dias.
The Force Awakens vendeu (que é diferente de enviar pras prateleiras) 1.35 milhão de unidades na primeira semana.

Fonte

No total, O Despertar da Força vendeu 1.25 milhões de unidades em sua semana de estréia, de um total de 5.9 milhões. Praticamente 1/4 das vendas vieram na primeira semana.


Mas infelizmente, não existem mais dados das vendas da primeira semana de The Last Jedi.

Se serve de parâmetro, The Last Jedi faturou 1.3 bilhão e estreou em 1 lugar nos quadros de venda de DVD e Blu Ray. O filme que tomou o lugar como primeiro colocado, The Showman, teve uma bilheteria de 173 milhões, quase 10 vezes menos e já desbancou The Last Jedi. Não posso afirmar ou não que vendeu bem, mas eu suponho que pra perder pra um filme que faturou 10 vezes menos nos cinemas, não deve ser muito grande.

Se tiver alguém que saiba achar os dados de vendas, eu gostaria de saber como foram.

 

[Bloodstained]

O legal de ter visto este vídeo é na parte final em que ele fala das vendas de Blu-Ray de Star wars.
=>Primeira semana de vendas e o filme fica em primeiro lugar.
Sem segundo Jumanji, em sua segunda semana caiu pra segundo lugar, seguido de Coco - A Vida é uma Festa, que estava em sua quinta semana.

Fonte: Variety.com
=> Segunda semana e o filme já cai pra segundo lugar atrás de... O Rei do Show, musical de Hugh Jackman.
Nada contra musicais e Hugh Jackman, mas um sucesso de 1.3 bilhão de dolares cair da primeira posição em apenas uma semana para... Um musical... Bom, como não vi o filme, de repente é um sucesso e eu perdi a chance, nao sei. Jumanji continua firme e forte em terceiro lugar.

Fonte: Variety.com tbm.

Claro que as vendas podem ter sido compensatórias pra Disney, só mais pra frente pra sabermos e compararmos as vendas.

Opa, update.

The Last Jedi enviou para as prateleiras de lojas 375 mil cópias nos primeiros 3 dias.
The Force Awakens vendeu (que é diferente de enviar pras prateleiras) 1.35 milhão de unidades na primeira semana.

Fonte

No total, O Despertar da Força vendeu 1.25 milhões de unidades em sua semana de estréia, de um total de 5.9 milhões. Praticamente 1/4 das vendas vieram na primeira semana.


Mas infelizmente, não existem mais dados das vendas da primeira semana de The Last Jedi.

Se serve de parâmetro, The Last Jedi faturou 1.3 bilhão e estreou em 1 lugar nos quadros de venda de DVD e Blu Ray. O filme que tomou o lugar como primeiro colocado, The Showman, teve uma bilheteria de 173 milhões, quase 10 vezes menos e já desbancou The Last Jedi. Não posso afirmar ou não que vendeu bem, mas eu suponho que pra perder pra um filme que faturou 10 vezes menos nos cinemas, não deve ser muito grande.

Se tiver alguém que saiba achar os dados de vendas, eu gostaria de saber como foram.

Eu nem me incomodei em falar a respeito das vendas dos DVD's e Blu Rays de The Last Jedi justamente porque as reportagens a respeito carecem de números. Sem eles, o significado no ranking de vendas não significa muita coisa, já que não dá para quantificar as unidades vendidas ou o lucro gerado, e nem mesmo comparar com o desempenho das vendas de The Force Awakens ou Rogue One. Também estou bastante curioso a respeito desses dados de vendas mas, até o momento, não encontrei nenhum lugar confiável onde tenham sido disponibilizados.

 

[Bloodstained]

Episódio forte de Damage Control lançado agora há pouco, moçada!

S03E04 - Fãs, voltem pelo amor da Força! Nós vamos consertar Star Wars!


Star Wars 9: Rey's MOTHER revealed? Huge casting leak about Luke's 'wife' MARA
STAR WARS 9 could introduce an iconic Legends character after some casting details were leaked. Is 'Mara Jade' being brought back into canon. Will Luke's 'wife' be Rey's mother in JJ Abrams' Episode IX?

It was one of the two great mysteries built up before The Last Jedi.

Rey's parentage along with the origins of Supreme Leader Snoke consumed fan forums for almost two years before Episode 8 hit the big screen. When the dust and red sand of Crait had settled, the choices made by Rian Johnson and Disney divided opinion in a way never seen before in the Star Wars universe.

Many fans still believe that Lylo Ren was purposefully misleadng Rey and lied about her parents.

Is her mother about to be revealed as Mara jade, after tantalising casting news was leaked by That Hashtag Show?

Star Wars 9 - Mara Jade could be Rey's mother​

The report said: "(JJ) Abrams, along with casting director Nina Gold, who has worked on both Episode VII and Episode VIII, are searching for a female lead, 40-50 years old, to play the role of “MARA.”

This immediately reignited speculation about beloved Legends character Mara Jade.

Not only did she become Luke's wife in the non-canon novels, her age and close links to the classic Skywalker story mean she is still a hot favourite to be Rey's missing mother.

Star Wars 9 - Mara Jade is a classic Legends character​

Luke even had a wife in the opening pages of the Last Jedi novel, before it was all revealed to be a dream.

In the novels Mara Jade was a powerful Force user under Palpatine's mind control. After the Emperor's death, Luke was able to break the control and the pair eventually married, had children and founded a Jedi academy.

The movies have already used the academy storyline and Mara Jade could be worked into Episode 9 as Luke's fellow teacher, lover or, of course, Rey's mother.

But fans shouldn't get too excited just yet...

Star Wars 9 - Fans still hope Luke is Rey's father​

That Hashtag Show quickly added: "It’s common practice for film’s to use code names during the casting process, and that could be the case here."

The Force Awakens used Kira as Rey's code name for months and many fan sites were quick to shoot down excited Mara Jade hype.

Fansided said: “Honestly, it’s just a code name protecting the identity of the actual character name for Star Wars: Episode IX. That’s it. Plus, Mara Jade has been rumored to pop up in both The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, to no avail. It makes no logical sense for her to appear in Star Wars: Episode IX.”

Jeremy Conrad from Manabyte added: “Mara Jade was rumored for EVERY Disney Star Wars episode so far. In TFA people claimed that Karen Gillen’s hair would be used for Mara’s wig in the movie. In TLJ people claimed Mara was buried on Ahch-to. Now in Ep9 people claim she’s going to be in the movie and 40yrs old.”


Fonte

 

[m4sk4rinha]

Episódio forte de Damage Control lançado agora há pouco, moçada!

S03E04 - Fãs, voltem pelo amor da Força! Nós vamos consertar Star Wars!


Star Wars 9: Rey's MOTHER revealed? Huge casting leak about Luke's 'wife' MARA
STAR WARS 9 could introduce an iconic Legends character after some casting details were leaked. Is 'Mara Jade' being brought back into canon. Will Luke's 'wife' be Rey's mother in JJ Abrams' Episode IX?

It was one of the two great mysteries built up before The Last Jedi.

Rey's parentage along with the origins of Supreme Leader Snoke consumed fan forums for almost two years before Episode 8 hit the big screen. When the dust and red sand of Crait had settled, the choices made by Rian Johnson and Disney divided opinion in a way never seen before in the Star Wars universe.

Many fans still believe that Lylo Ren was purposefully misleadng Rey and lied about her parents.

Is her mother about to be revealed as Mara jade, after tantalising casting news was leaked by That Hashtag Show?

Star Wars 9 - Mara Jade could be Rey's mother​

The report said: "(JJ) Abrams, along with casting director Nina Gold, who has worked on both Episode VII and Episode VIII, are searching for a female lead, 40-50 years old, to play the role of “MARA.”

This immediately reignited speculation about beloved Legends character Mara Jade.

Not only did she become Luke's wife in the non-canon novels, her age and close links to the classic Skywalker story mean she is still a hot favourite to be Rey's missing mother.

Star Wars 9 - Mara Jade is a classic Legends character​

Luke even had a wife in the opening pages of the Last Jedi novel, before it was all revealed to be a dream.

In the novels Mara Jade was a powerful Force user under Palpatine's mind control. After the Emperor's death, Luke was able to break the control and the pair eventually married, had children and founded a Jedi academy.

The movies have already used the academy storyline and Mara Jade could be worked into Episode 9 as Luke's fellow teacher, lover or, of course, Rey's mother.

But fans shouldn't get too excited just yet...

Star Wars 9 - Fans still hope Luke is Rey's father​

That Hashtag Show quickly added: "It’s common practice for film’s to use code names during the casting process, and that could be the case here."

The Force Awakens used Kira as Rey's code name for months and many fan sites were quick to shoot down excited Mara Jade hype.

Fansided said: “Honestly, it’s just a code name protecting the identity of the actual character name for Star Wars: Episode IX. That’s it. Plus, Mara Jade has been rumored to pop up in both The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, to no avail. It makes no logical sense for her to appear in Star Wars: Episode IX.”

Jeremy Conrad from Manabyte added: “Mara Jade was rumored for EVERY Disney Star Wars episode so far. In TFA people claimed that Karen Gillen’s hair would be used for Mara’s wig in the movie. In TLJ people claimed Mara was buried on Ahch-to. Now in Ep9 people claim she’s going to be in the movie and 40yrs old.”

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Podem inventar o que quiserem agora, pra mim vai ser tudo nessa base aqui:

 

[Snake Fox Die]

Comentei nesse tópico na época do lançamento do filme e resolvi entrar aqui de novo agora pra comentar uma coisa.

Sou extremamente fã de Star Wars desde criança e esse filme conseguiu a proeza de me afastar da franquia. Tinha até esquecido que ia sair o filme do Han Solo daqui alguns dias e não to nem aí pro que vai acontecer no episódio IX. Por mim pode ser até cancelado.

Antes fosse só um filme ruim. Mas além disso, tem que estragar a mitologia da saga, estragar o Luke, matar todo mundo das antigas em prol dos novos personagens SJW. Os fãs verdadeiros, que é os que dão dinheiro, estão indo embora...

 

[Nicko]

Logo eles vão ver que esse papo de feminismo, de lacração, de lugar para os jovens, pode não ser tão rentável assim.
Apesar que ainda tão lucrando bastante, mas não sei até quando.

 

[Goris]

Logo eles vão ver que esse papo de feminismo, de lacração, de lugar para os jovens, pode não ser tão rentável assim.
Apesar que ainda tão lucrando bastante, mas não sei até quando.

Internet afora, as pessoas que não curtiram o jogo comentam que muita gente comprou ingressos antecipados pra eles, pros amigos, namoradas... Logo, você vê que na primeira semana o filme acho que fez até mais bilheteria que O Despertar da Força, mas o filme teve a maior queda de bilheteria entre uma semana e outra da história.

Ou seja, quem já tinha comprado ingresso foi ver o filme esperando ver as respostas que ficaram no ar n'O Despertar da Força (quem era Snoke, por que Luke sumiu mas deixou o mapa para ser encontrado, como seria o reencontro de Leia com o filho que matou o pai, como Snoke era tão poderoso e nunca ouvimos falar dele, por que Rey era tão poderosa na Força, como a República ia ficar depois de perder sua capital, quem eram os Cavaleiros de Ren, Finn sairia do coma de que jeito? Finn seria um adepto da Força? E tantas outras) e saíram decepcionados e não voltaram na semana seguinte para ver o filme.

Acho que o próprio fato de o filme ter tantas críticas negativas serviu também para ele ganhar mais bilheteria, gente que não era fã, mas foi ver se era tao ruim e aproveitou pra endeuser o filme, já que só nazista e machista não gostava dele.

Agora é esperar pra ver como a saga vai terminar.

Pessoalmente torço pro filme fazer ainda menos que Os últimos Jedi e que a queda de arrecadação faça a Disney entender que tem que saber dosar agradar ao público novo (geralmente bem volúvel) sem afastar o público antigo.

Mas como o Blood já disse, eles vão tentar jogar várias iscas para agradar esse mesmo público sem se desculpar por terem destruído personagens que amavam. Temos um ano e meio pro filme sair, por isso ainda vai ter muito Damage Control, mas imagino que ano que vem vamos ver gente falando que vão colocar mais aliens em papéis de destaque, que vão dar mais "falas" pra Chewbacca, mostrar mais da galáxia... Mas sempre na mesma linha de filme com estória fraca, personagens rasos (sério, eu realmente gostei da história de Finn e do carisma da atriz de Rey, mas a nova trilogia parou aí) e sem vilões e ameaças que cativem.

 

[Bloodstained]

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Vocês precisam entender que o importante para a megera é "construir uma nova audiência", que é composta basicamente pela galerinha que adora a famigerada agenda mas não tira um centavo do bolso para consumir nada relacionado a Star Wars. Quanto àqueles que mantiveram a franquia viva por décadas a fio, sabe como é... que se fodam.

 

[Iron_Sword]

Episódio forte de Damage Control lançado agora há pouco, moçada!

In the novels Mara Jade was a powerful Force user under Palpatine's mind control. After the Emperor's death, Luke was able to break the control and the pair eventually married, had children and founded a Jedi academy.

A reportagem ainda fala errado... Ela e o Luke só tiveram 1 filho e não vários, (children) quem teve 3 filhos foram o Han e a Leia, e ela não participou da fundação da nova ordem jedi, ela entrou depois.

Espero que não tragam a Mara pro canon da Disney, vão estragar uma das melhores personagens de SW. Já basta o Thrawn ter virado um imbecil em Rebels.

 

[Stranger_Eddie]

Se Star Wars continuar assim vai ser igual ao que faço com a franquia Terminator e Alien, que só vejo (e consumo produtos) dos dois primeiros filmes.
No caso de Star Wars, ainda consegue arrombar meu porquinho até o ep.6

 

[bushi_snake]

NUH! Olha o tamanho desse buraco negro que vão tentar tampar tacando a Mara Jade...

Bah, f**a-se, hoje eu vi a novelização dessa m**** ai, nunca vi um livro com um "Versão Extendida" na capa.. tudo ao contrário...ridiculo.

 

[Chris Redfield jr]

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Vocês precisam entender que o importante para a megera é "construir uma nova audiência", que é composta basicamente pela galerinha que adora a famigerada agenda mas não tira um centavo do bolso para consumir nada relacionado a Star Wars. Quanto àqueles que mantiveram a franquia viva por décadas a fio, sabe como é... que se fodam.

Cara, como é que o George Lucas me indica essa mulher pra ficar no comando da parada?

 

[Chris Redfield jr]

Se Star Wars continuar assim vai ser igual ao que faço com a franquia Terminator e Alien, que só vejo (e consumo produtos) dos dois primeiros filmes.
No caso de Star Wars, ainda consegue arrombar meu porquinho até o ep.6

Terminator é um belo caso que serve como exemplo. Os dois primeiros são iconicos, lembrados até hoje. O T-1000 virou um icone do cinema ao lado do T-800.
Daí do terceiro em diante tivemos o que? NADA. Absolutamente NADA marcante, nada pra se lembrar.

 

[Nicko]

Terminator é um belo caso que serve como exemplo. Os dois primeiros são iconicos, lembrados até hoje. O T-1000 virou um icone do cinema ao lado do T-800.
Daí do terceiro em diante tivemos o que? NADA. Absolutamente NADA marcante, nada pra se lembrar.

Isso é verdade...do 3º em diante foi só ladeira

 

[Bloodstained]

Is this the year that Marvel’s superheroes finally topple Star Wars?

Captain America/Steve Rogers (Chris Evans), here trying to hold off Thanos (Josh Brolin) in “Avengers: Infinity War,” will try to help Marvel finally beat Star Wars for the annual box-office crown​

IS THIS the year that Marvel finally tops Star Wars?

Judging by early box-office figures and a new Fandango movie poll, this could indeed be the turning point when the Avengers prove more popular than the Rebel Alliance.

Ever since Disney-owned Lucasfilm rebooted the space movie franchise in 2015, the biggest Star Wars film of each year has outdistanced the biggest release from Disney-owned Marvel Studios.

That was to be expected in 2015, when frenzied fans — hungry for the kind of satisfying Star Wars fare they hadn’t had since the original trilogy released three decades earlier — helped propel “The Force Awakens” to a domestic gross of $937 million (the highest total ever before adjusting for inflation). That total more than doubled the take of 2015’s “Avengers: Age of Ultron” ($459 million).

The following year, Star Wars continued to hold on to its annual crown. “Rogue One: A Star Wars Story” grossed $532.2 million domestically, staying well ahead of 2016’s “Captain America: Civil War” ($408 million).

Then, last year wasn’t even close: “Star Wars: The Last Jedi” grossed $620.2 million in North America, while Marvel’s biggest 2017 release, “Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol. 2,” grossed $389.8 million.

This year, however, Marvel has come loaded for bear.

Hurtling toward summer, “Black Panther” remains the year’s biggest film by a long shot, having grossed $676 million domestically — a high bar to cross for any Star Wars film being released this far along into the franchise.

But the plot twist is, this month’s “Avengers: Infinity War” is tracking even higher than “Black Panther.” The mobile-ticketing platform Fandango announced last week that “Infinity War” was outselling the past seven Marvel Cinematic Universe movies — combined — in presale tickets.

Black Panther (Chadwick Boseman) sharpens his senses for battle against Thanos in “Avengers: Infinity War.”​

Fandango follows that announcement up this week with news of a seasonal blockbuster survey that polled 4,500 fans. According to the ticketing site, the season’s most anticipated release is “Infinity War” (opening April 27), followed by “Deadpool 2” (May 18), with “Solo: A Star Wars Story” (May 25) sliding into third place ahead of “Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom” (June 22). And worth noting: Marvel’s “Ant-Man and the Wasp” (July 6) clocks in at No. 10.

“Infinity War” also has the benefit of being presented as the culmination of a decade of Marvel Studios releases — 18 in all — and thus as a true “event” film. “Infinity War,” too, rides the huge current wave of popularity enjoyed by “Black Panther,” and is smartly set partly on Black Panther’s home turf of Wakanda. (In that regard, Marvel does have the advantage of greater numbers, releasing multiple titles each year.)

“Solo,” by contrast, is a one-off movie about young Han Solo, and not part of Disney’s main Star Wars trilogy that concludes next year with “Star Wars: Episode IX.”

Han (Alden Ehrenreich) is ready to be the best pilot, in “Solo: A Star Wars Story.”​

It doesn’t help, either, that “Solo” was plagued with production issues, as original directors Phil Lord and Chris Miller were fired, and Ron Howard assumed the helm and reportedly reshot much of the movie.

When “Infinity War” opens next week, it will try to top the $248 million opening weekend of “The Force Awakens” (the biggest domestic debut before adjusting for inflation). Star Wars is not going to give up any box-office crowns easily. (Current projections have “Infinity War” opening as high as $235 million.)

Marvel and Star Wars have long been linked, of course, since Marvel published the first Star Wars comic books four decades ago. Now, their cinematic franchises go head to head yet again.

And whichever film empire triumphs at the 2018 box office, the big winner naturally remains the same: the kingdom of Disney.


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[Epic Sax CEO]

Repito, fosse outro grupo de executivos essa "diversificação seria excelente".
Ao invés de contratar wannabes imagine se contratassem roteiristas e diretores de fora, de outros sexos e etnias. Lembram do terceiro filme do Harry Potter? Aquele lendário filme do Cuarón? De tudo de bom que ele levou para a franquia com seu método de trabalho totalmente fora do esquema? Imagine se contratassem uma diretora do oriente médio, que sabe o que é viver em uma região em conflito político e militar, não seria ótimo para o filme?
Mas esses esforços desses executivos picaretas é apenas marketing, infelizmente.

 

[$delúbio$]

This immediately reignited speculation about beloved Legends character Mara Jade.
Not only did she become Luke's wife in the non-canon novels, her age and close links to the classic Skywalker story mean she is still a hot favourite to be Rey's missing mother.

Star Wars 9 - Mara Jade is a classic Legends character​

Melhor não dar idéia nem sequer se mostrar interessado... vai que fazem uma personagem desse naipe:

 

[Iron_Sword]

Para quem tiver interesse, um vídeo (em inglês) sobre como era a história de um dos personagens injustiçados no ep 8, Almirante Ackbar:


E sobre a batalha em Ebaq, o ultimo ato militar dele:

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The Battle of Ebaq, also known as the Battle of Ebaq 9, was a major battle between the New Republic and the Yuuzhan Vong, considered the turning point of the war in favor of the New Republic. The battle plan was conceived and coordinated by an ailing Admiral Ackbar, former Supreme Commander of the New Republic Defense Force, and was put into practice by several of the Republic's most able officers, including General Garm Bel Iblis and Admiral Kre'fey. After striking small raids on, and seizing, poorly defended worlds captured by the Yuuzhan Vong, Ackbar lured their Warmaster Tsavong Lah to the trap at the moon Ebaq 9 by giving Lah evidence of a fortress called the Final Redoubt at the moon there. With Supreme Overlord Shimrra's permission, he took a large fleet to the moon to decimate the New Republic forces there.

With the Solo twins and other Jedi at the moon as well, Lah was especially motivated to win the battle and decimate the forces there. However he was drawn into a trap by General Keyan Farlander's battle group at the moon, where he was soon ambushed by Admiral Traest Kre'fey. Eventually, a large New Republic task force led by Garm Bel Iblis and Jedi Master Luke Skywalker trapped the Warmaster. With his fleets doomed, Lah led 10,000 troops to eliminate the Jedi on the moon. However, all of his troops were killed when Vergere, a Jedi Knight who initially joined the Yuuzhan Vong, sacrificed herself by crashing her ship on the moon's surface, causing explosive decompression in the mines inside it, to save Jacen. Lah survived, and confronted Jaina, along with her Jedi friends Lowbacca and Tesar Sebatyne. Jaina was able to kill the Warmaster, and all of his troops battling the New Republic fleet were killed as well.

The subsequent New Republic victory resulted not only in the death of Warmaster Tsavong Lah, but a large portion of the already weakened Warrior caste along with him. The battle was a major morale victory for the Jedi and failing New Republic, and turned the tide of the war onto their side. It also proved to be the catalyst for the formation of the Galactic Federation of Free Alliances, as well as a disastrous and humiliating defeat for the newly christened Yuuzhan Vong empire.

O peixão mais famoso da galáxia virou a guerra em favor da nova república, com uma armadilha, especialidade dele.

Repito, fosse outro grupo de executivos essa "diversificação seria excelente".
Ao invés de contratar wannabes imagine se contratassem roteiristas e diretores de fora, de outros sexos e etnias. Lembram do terceiro filme do Harry Potter? Aquele lendário filme do Cuarón? De tudo de bom que ele levou para a franquia com seu método de trabalho totalmente fora do esquema? Imagine se contratassem uma diretora do oriente médio, que sabe o que é viver em uma região em conflito político e militar, não seria ótimo para o filme?
Mas esses esforços desses executivos picaretas é apenas marketing, infelizmente.

O problema é que além de diversidade eles querem diretores pau-mandados, aí complica.

 

[Epic Sax CEO]

O problema é que além de diversidade eles querem diretores pau-mandados, aí complica.

Diversidade NÃO é problema, faria até sentido em SW ao invés de as estrelas serem apenas os humanos.
O problema é são os "hacks".

 

[Iron_Sword]

Diversidade NÃO é problema, faria até sentido em SW ao invés de as estrelas serem apenas os humanos.
O problema é são os "hacks".

Diversidade nunca foi problema no antigo canon de SW, estava cheio de aliens e mulheres, a Disney que veio com esse marketing mentiroso de que eles é que estão fazendo ser diverso pela primeira vez.
E não adianta colocarem diversidade atrás das câmeras se não tiver qualidade, ou pegarem o que vc citou como exemplo, uma mulher do oriente médio com experiência em situação de guerra e que tbm seja boa diretora mas jogar ela no projeto sem planejamento nenhum e ainda executivos se metendo até na forma como ela quer trabalhar, ou do nada demitir no meio do projeto como fizeram com vários desde que começaram o "reboot".

 

[Pinguim 55]

Lol, quanto damage control por parte da Disney (achei fantástico o lance de episódio e temporadas que estão fazendo).

No mais, Stars Wars parece que virou aquela série que o pessoal ama odiar. Confesso que estou me divertindo ver a Disney se 'f**end0', mais divertido que Last Jedi.

Foda que a Disney é grande demais, fico imaginando se pode receber uma pancada tão grande a ponto de realmente estremecer para começar a tomar reais medidas, como demitir a megera.

 

[billpower]

Foda que a Disney é grande demais, fico imaginando se pode receber uma pancada tão grande a ponto de realmente estremecer para começar a tomar reais medidas, como demitir a megera.

Acho que uma mudança nisso somente se o próximo SW for bem ruim. Eles ainda querem crer que conseguem impor esse doutrinamento para o público.