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[Tópico Oficial] AMD RADEON - Polaris / VEGA / NAVI - Benchmarks, Notícias, Fotos, Testes, Discussão.

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Sei nao pelos requisitos do jogo deve ter sofrido um downgrade brutal, nunca esqueco do downgrade do witcher 3, usar esse jogo como parametro antes dele sair nao parece boa ideia.
Downgrade ou não, não tira que o DLSS dará mais performance, isso é fato.
 


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Sim , mas pessoal usa esse jogo como se ele fosse o novo crysis e pelas specs nao parece, que o Dlss tira mais desempenho eh obvio.
Requisitos não quer dizer muita coisa, o very low pode não exigir nada, mas no ultra galáctico high pode derrubar até a 2080ti e deixar ela de 4 no chão sem dlss. Rt então esquece.
 

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Requisitos não quer dizer muita coisa, o very low pode não exigir nada, mas no ultra galáctico high pode derrubar até a 2080ti e deixar ela de 4 no chão sem dlss.
Pode ser, mas nao podemos esquecer que nem mostraram gameplay dos consoles e vai sair para proxima geracao so depois de um tempo....pra mim ate o momento ta acontecendo igual witcher 3, negocio eh esperar sair, eu acho sacanagem se so lancarem um update next gen depois de um tempo
 

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Pode ser, mas nao podemos esquecer que nem mostraram gameplay dos consoles e vai sair para proxima geracao so depois de um tempo....pra mim ate o momento ta acontecendo igual witcher 3, negocio eh esperar sair, eu acho sacanagem se so lancarem um update next gen depois de um tempo

E exigir uma rx470 como minimo não é pouca coisa não.
Comparação com crysis:

  • MINIMUM:
    • Supported OS:Windows XP or Windows Vista***
    • Processor:2.8 GHz or faster (XP) or 3.2 GHz or faster* (Vista)
    • Memory:1.0 GB RAM (XP) or 1.5 GB RAM (Vista)
    • Graphics:256 MB**
    • DirectX Version:DirectX 9.0c (included)
    • Sound:DirectX 9.0c compatible
    • Hard Drive:12GB
    • * Supported Processors: Intel Pentium 4 2.8 GHz (3.2 GHz for Vista) or faster, Intel Core 2.0 GHz (2.2 GHz for Vista) or faster, AMD Athlon 2800+ (3200+ for Vista) or faster.
    • ** Supported chipsets: NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT or greater; ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (Radeon X800 Pro for Vista) or greater. Laptop versions of these chipsets may work but are not supported. Integrated chipsets are not supported. Updates to your video and sound card drivers may be required.
    • *** Currently only the 32-bit version is available.
E sabemos como o jogo era.

O cyberpunk deve ser bem pesado.
 

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E exigir uma rx470 como minimo não é pouca coisa não.
Comparação com crysis:

  • MINIMUM:
    • Supported OS:Windows XP or Windows Vista***
    • Processor:2.8 GHz or faster (XP) or 3.2 GHz or faster* (Vista)
    • Memory:1.0 GB RAM (XP) or 1.5 GB RAM (Vista)
    • Graphics:256 MB**
    • DirectX Version:DirectX 9.0c (included)
    • Sound:DirectX 9.0c compatible
    • Hard Drive:12GB
    • * Supported Processors: Intel Pentium 4 2.8 GHz (3.2 GHz for Vista) or faster, Intel Core 2.0 GHz (2.2 GHz for Vista) or faster, AMD Athlon 2800+ (3200+ for Vista) or faster.
    • ** Supported chipsets: NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT or greater; ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (Radeon X800 Pro for Vista) or greater. Laptop versions of these chipsets may work but are not supported. Integrated chipsets are not supported. Updates to your video and sound card drivers may be required.
    • *** Currently only the 32-bit version is available.
E sabemos como o jogo era.

O cyberpunk deve ser bem pesado.
pode ser, mas um gameplay capturado nos consoles ja seria aliviador, e apesar de todo o respeito pela cd projekt e de ter gostado e zerado witcher e expansoes,aquele downgrade comparado a divulgacao foi nojento, entao logo me acho no direito de sim desconfiar, o jogo ja ta aqui na steam esperando .
 


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Os caras mineram feito louco com 5700 e vega, nada impede de quererem minerar com uma radeon mais forte que as antecessoras
Sim, só que as 30xx mudaram tudo. A 3080 é 2x mais eficiente que a 5700XT pra minerar. Mesmo que as novas sejam mais eficientes, é pouco provável que superem essa performance pra minerar.
 

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Sim, só que as 30xx mudaram tudo. A 3080 é 2x mais eficiente que a 5700XT pra minerar. Mesmo que as novas sejam mais eficientes, é pouco provável que superem essa performance pra minerar.
as vezes valor x potencia para minerar compense vai saber , deveria ter algum tipo de trava na placa pra não minerar , saporra foi feita pra jogo :klolz
 

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Mineração parece que ta vindo (voltando) com força mesmo :kzangado

XFX China allegedly sells ‘almost all’ available Radeon RX stock to mining farms

According to MyDrivers, the Chinese XFX branch has sold ‘almost all’ stock of Radeon RX 500 and RX 5000 graphics card to mining farms.

We have not been able to confirm this information, but MyDrivers usually keep up quite well with all the rumors surrounding Chinese factories and distributors.
MyDrivers (machine translation):
According to the information received, throughout September, XFX did not give agents several graphics cards in China. Almost all mainstream models on the market such as RX 580 8GB, RX 590 8GB, RX 5600 XT, RX 5700 XT, etc are out of stock.
As for the reason, it is said that after XFX received these chips from AMD, they directly sold them to the miners , completely becoming “mining cards”, causing the agents to not get the goods at all.
The popularity of GPU mining is slowly increasing as Ethrerum value has doubled since April. In October the value dropped to 372 USD (today) but it has been oscillating between 430 to 350 USD in the past month or so.
AMD Radeon RX series has a far greater value in GPU mining than the just-released NVIDIA Ampere series. So despite the fact that Polaris series has been out for 4 years, the cards are still being purchased and AMD is still manufacturing the chips.
The report from MyDrivers also claims that Navi 10 graphics cards are also affected by the growing popularity of mining in China. Both RX 570 and RX 5700 series have comparable performance, with better cost-effectiveness in favour or RX 570 (check this site for direct comparison).


Ethereum pricing in 2016 – 2020, Source: Statista



XFX Radeon RX 500 graphics card

Source: MyDrivers via El Chapuzas Informatico
 

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Mineração parece que ta vindo (voltando) com força mesmo :kzangado

XFX China allegedly sells ‘almost all’ available Radeon RX stock to mining farms

According to MyDrivers, the Chinese XFX branch has sold ‘almost all’ stock of Radeon RX 500 and RX 5000 graphics card to mining farms.

We have not been able to confirm this information, but MyDrivers usually keep up quite well with all the rumors surrounding Chinese factories and distributors.
MyDrivers (machine translation):

The popularity of GPU mining is slowly increasing as Ethrerum value has doubled since April. In October the value dropped to 372 USD (today) but it has been oscillating between 430 to 350 USD in the past month or so.
AMD Radeon RX series has a far greater value in GPU mining than the just-released NVIDIA Ampere series. So despite the fact that Polaris series has been out for 4 years, the cards are still being purchased and AMD is still manufacturing the chips.
The report from MyDrivers also claims that Navi 10 graphics cards are also affected by the growing popularity of mining in China. Both RX 570 and RX 5700 series have comparable performance, with better cost-effectiveness in favour or RX 570 (check this site for direct comparison).


Ethereum pricing in 2016 – 2020, Source: Statista



XFX Radeon RX 500 graphics card

Source: MyDrivers via El Chapuzas Informatico
Morre cancer dos infernos.
 

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Mineração parece que ta vindo (voltando) com força mesmo :kzangado

XFX China allegedly sells ‘almost all’ available Radeon RX stock to mining farms

According to MyDrivers, the Chinese XFX branch has sold ‘almost all’ stock of Radeon RX 500 and RX 5000 graphics card to mining farms.

We have not been able to confirm this information, but MyDrivers usually keep up quite well with all the rumors surrounding Chinese factories and distributors.
MyDrivers (machine translation):

The popularity of GPU mining is slowly increasing as Ethrerum value has doubled since April. In October the value dropped to 372 USD (today) but it has been oscillating between 430 to 350 USD in the past month or so.
AMD Radeon RX series has a far greater value in GPU mining than the just-released NVIDIA Ampere series. So despite the fact that Polaris series has been out for 4 years, the cards are still being purchased and AMD is still manufacturing the chips.
The report from MyDrivers also claims that Navi 10 graphics cards are also affected by the growing popularity of mining in China. Both RX 570 and RX 5700 series have comparable performance, with better cost-effectiveness in favour or RX 570 (check this site for direct comparison).


Ethereum pricing in 2016 – 2020, Source: Statista



XFX Radeon RX 500 graphics card

Source: MyDrivers via El Chapuzas Informatico
Etherium vai parar de ser minerável e vai passara ser proof of stake daqui uns tempos... isso pode ajudar.
 

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AMD Navi 21 XT to feature ~2.3-2.4 GHz game clock, 250W+ TGP and 16 GB GDDR6 memory

AMD Radeon RX 6000 series to boost up to 2.3 GHz?
What you should know however is that this data from Patrick is not based on AMD reference design. We have already been told that there are reference-based samples clocking up to 2.3 GHz, but there are also cards reaching 2.4 GHz. Those, however, are AIB models. A cut-down version (Navi 21 XL) should be clocked at around 2.2 GHz, our sources believe.
Navi 21 XT
16GB GDDR6
255W TGP
~2.4 GHz (Game Clock)
— Patrick Schur (@patrickschur_) October 17, 2020
The big unknown is still the XTX variant. It all appears that Navi 21 XTX is AMD exclusive. It is possibly a higher clocked version with more CUs enabled, but AIbs have no further information at the moment.
What is certain is that Navi 21 XT will be the Big Navi we are all waiting for. The card that should beat GeForce RTX 3070, but the performance in comparison to RTX 3080 is still not clear. AMD has published the first benchmark results of the graphics card at 4K resolution (attached later in the post).
All three variants (XTX, XT and XL) would feature 16GB GDDR6 memory across a 256-bit interface. The Big Navi card are to feature a special cache, possibly codenamed Infinity Cache, however, the details on its operation are still scarce.
The TGP (total graphics power) of 255W is more than likely for the custom AIB variant. Bear in mind that TGP is not equal to TBP (total board power). The TBP will be higher as it accounts for all components on the PCB. Also keep in mind that Big Navi has a USB Type-C connector, which on RTX 20 series required 30W alone.
AMD will unveil Radeon RX 6000 series on October 28th.
NAVI 21 XTXNAVI 21 XTNAVI 21 XLNAVI 21 XE
RUMORED Specifications of AMD Radeon RX 6000 series
Compute UnitsTBCTBCTBCTBC
Memory Type16GB GDDR616GB GDDR616GB GDDR6TBC
Memory Bus256-bit + Cache256-bit + Cache256-bit + CacheTBC
Base ClockTBC2065 – 2160 MHz1980 MHzTBC
Boost ClockTBC2300 – 2410 MHz2190 MHzTBC
TGPTBCTBC – 255WTBCTBC
TBPTBCTBCTBCTBC
Annoucement DateOctober 28th, 20202021

Source: Patrick Schur
 

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Do jeito que está só estou torcendo para AMD lançar novos modelos competitivos para ver se a Nvidia se mexe e oferte/produza mais RTX da série 30 para eu poder comprar uma por um preço justo.
 

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Para quem uma VGA RADEON e quiser testar:



Enable Ray-Tracing (RTX) in Almost Every Game w/ AMD Radeon GPUs Using this Mod


NVIDIA might have popularized ray-tracing (at least the term) among the masses, but even now only a small percentage of gamers have access to the technology. The reason is rather straight-forward: RTX GPUs are quite expensive and not everyone can afford them. More than half of the gamers worldwide still use a GTX 1060-level graphics cards, with a target resolution of 1080p:
  • NVIDIA GTX 1060 Still #1 on Steam Charts, RTX 2060 Most Popular Turing GPU, AMD Navi <0.50%
On Steam, less than 3% of gamers own the RTX 2060, the cheapest RTX graphics card. That in itself tells you all you need to know. Luckily, even folks who don’t have NVIDIA’s latest RTX GPUs can test out ray-tracing and see what the fuss is all about. There are multiple ways you can try out real-time ray-tracing on your PC:




Crytek’s Noir Benchmark: Crytek’s Noir benchmark featuring RT ray-tracing is now publicly available. Although a rather mild implementation with certain compromises here and there, it looks gorgeous and requires modest hardest. An AMD Radeon RX Vega 56 can easily run the benchmark at 1080p with a stable 30 FPS throughout.

McFly’s Path Traced Global Illumination (PTGI): This is the one you’ll probably want to download. Before we go on, please keep in mind that this ray-tracing shader is still in beta, which requires a $5 subscription to access. The final version is going to be publicly accessible for free, but at the moment, you’ll have to shell out a tiny donation to try it out




Before we begin, you’ll probably want to know whether this is actual ray-tracing or some dirty hack. To answer that question, yes, this indeed is real-time ray-tracing. However, unlike NVIDIA’s RTX implementation, the PTGI shader doesn’t consider objects and sources not visible on the screen. It depends on the data available in the depth buffer. Then, what’s the point you may ask? Well, it still produces a much more accurate shadowing for objects present in the scene, much better than traditional SSAO and HBAO. It’s called Screen Space Ray-Tracing.

Difference Between ReShade PRGI Shader and NVIDIA RTX

The difference between McFly’s ReShade shader and NVIDIA varies from game to game, and in some the end-result is more or less than the same. In most games, RTX is implemented using standard ray-tracing where each ray of light undergoes a single intersection after which it returns to the light source. McFly’s solution uses path-tracing, meaning each ray after being cast undergoes several intersections with the objects in the scene before returning to the source.

While this is more accurate, it significantly more intensive too. NVIDIA’s RTX implementation in Quake and Minecraft also leverages path-tracing which is why they are so performance heavy, despite having a low polygon count. However, at the same time keep in mind that while NVIDIA’s RTX implementation considers objects not present in the depth buffer as well (objects not visible) while McFly’s shader doesn’t.



How to Install ReShade Ray-Tracing Shader:
  • Firstly, download the ReShade setup from here.
  • Next, select the game executable which you want to test PTGI (ray-tracing) with and select the API (usually DirectX 11).
  • You can find which API a game uses by enabling MSI Afterburner OSD. It’ll mention whether the game uses DX9, 11 or 12 next to the FPS counter.
  • Then the ReShade setup will ask you to select the relevant shaders you want to inject into the selected game. You may choose your favorite shaders or select none. It won’t affect the path-tracing shader.
  • Now, download the ray-tracing shader from the McFly’s Patreon channel (again you’ll have to make a small $5 donation).
  • Extract the zipped folder and copy the “Shader” and “Textures” to the game directory where you installed ReShade and replace the existing ones.
  • Keep in mind that these two directories will be there in the “ReShade-shaders” folder which in-turn exists in the same folder as the exe.
 

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Torcendo pela AMD viu, depois dessa cagada de lançamento zoado da Nvidia, gostaria muito de poder comprar uma AMD haahhahaa. Mas teria que ter algo parecido com o DLSS para valer a pena.
 

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Torcendo pela AMD viu, depois dessa cagada de lançamento zoado da Nvidia, gostaria muito de poder comprar uma AMD haahhahaa. Mas teria que ter algo parecido com o DLSS para valer a pena.
Nao necessariamente, ela ate brinca com o fidelity fx mas nao espero algo no nivel Dlss, o fato de se os rumores estarem certo com os clocks ate 2,400mhz ,isso pra mim mostra que ela vem pra competir na forca bruta, se vier assim com valor interessante eh uma boa, uma coisa eh Dlss ser muito bom, outra eh ele se tornar padrao na industria, pelo que faz tomara que venha pra ficar mas ja vimos coisas boas serem deixadas para tras pq sim.
 

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Do jeito que está só estou torcendo para AMD lançar novos modelos competitivos para ver se a Nvidia se mexe e oferte/produza mais RTX da série 30 para eu poder comprar uma por um preço justo.
Uma vez o Chris (melhor AMDista que conheci nesse fórum) disse..."não adianta só torcer pela AMD, tem que comprar tb os produtos dela" kk

O "problema" meu com a Nvidia é que gosto das tecnologias dela, uma tecnologia por exemplo que quase ninguém lembra ou faz conta é o PhysX, outra é o Hairworks, daí vem o G-Sync na tv e monitor e por fim que já estou familiarizado com as opções do painel de controle dela. Daí agora tem o raytracing e dlss (que nem usei ainda) que já é realidade e não uma promessa como no caso da AMD, que inevitavelmente terá também nas suas gpus pra PC.

Por outro lado sei que o mesmo ocorre com quem tem AMD, que no caso já está habituado com o ambiente dela. Agora sobre a nova série que vem aí da AMD, se ela conseguir uma gpu que bate de frente com a 3080, sério, eu não me surpreenderia pq a vermelhinha cresceu demais nesses últimos anos.

Enfim.
 

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AMD Big Navi Expected to have a TDP of Up to 350W+


These days we’ve been hearing a lot about AMD’s upcoming Big Navi graphics card based on the RDNA 2 architecture. From what we’ve heard, the Navi 21 XT will feature a boost clock of up to 2.4GHz with a TBP of just over 250W. However, as per Igor, this figure represents just the GPU power and excludes the power draw of the VRAM, VRM, and the rest of the PCB. If we add all the missing values, the total TDP of the graphics card comes up to:

Navi 21 XT

Surprise, that’s roughly the same as that of the RTX 3080. Before you start complaining, yes this is despite the fact that AMD is using the 7nm node from TSMC which is quite a bit better than Samsung’s 8nm LPP node. However, you need to remember that AMD is aiming for much higher boost clocks (2.2-2.4GHz) while NVIDIA’s RTX 30 series mostly tops out at around 1.7GHz. That’s a delta of nearly 0.7GHz.


T
hird-party factory overclocked boards should have a slightly higher TBP of around 350W+, with the boost clocks possibly nearing 2.5GHz. In the end, though, I expect the Radeon RX 6900 XT to draw less power compared to the RTX 3080, but possibly at the cost of marginally lower 4K performance. Ampere’s GDDR6X memory and wider bandwidth and higher shader count should give it an edge at higher resolutions, but the competition should be much closer at 1440p. We’ll ignore 1080p as you’ll inevitably run into a CPU bottleneck/utilization issues at that resolution.
 

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Uma vez o Chris (melhor AMDista que conheci nesse fórum) disse..."não adianta só torcer pela AMD, tem que comprar tb os produtos dela" kk

O "problema" meu com a Nvidia é que gosto das tecnologias dela, uma tecnologia por exemplo que quase ninguém lembra ou faz conta é o PhysX, outra é o Hairworks, daí vem o G-Sync na tv e monitor e por fim que já estou familiarizado com as opções do painel de controle dela. Daí agora tem o raytracing e dlss (que nem usei ainda) que já é realidade e não uma promessa como no caso da AMD, que inevitavelmente terá também nas suas gpus pra PC.

Por outro lado sei que o mesmo ocorre com quem tem AMD, que no caso já está habituado com o ambiente dela. Agora sobre a nova série que vem aí da AMD, se ela conseguir uma gpu que bate de frente com a 3080, sério, eu não me surpreenderia pq a vermelhinha cresceu demais nesses últimos anos.

Enfim.
Você falou tudo. Como ir de AMD sem RT ou algo parecido com DSLL. Sem contar tantas outras features que vc citou.

Espero que a AMD de a volta por cima, como ela conseguiu no processadores Rizen. Correu atrás e hoje estão parelho com as CPU da Intel. Espero que está nova geração de GPU ela possa entregar algo mais próximo da Nvidia, não só em força bruta, mas em features que melhoram a experiência.
 

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Você falou tudo. Como ir de AMD sem RT ou algo parecido com DSLL. Sem contar tantas outras features que vc citou.

Espero que a AMD de a volta por cima, como ela conseguiu no processadores Rizen. Correu atrás e hoje estão parelho com as CPU da Intel. Espero que está nova geração de GPU ela possa entregar algo mais próximo da Nvidia, não só em força bruta, mas em features que melhoram a experiência.
Indiretamente tenho 3 produtos AMD, que é PS4 PRO, Xbox One e Wii U, acho que hoje já farei pré compra do PS5, não sei se é bastante lucro pra AMD, mas então querendo ou não é uma contribuição com a empresa da minha parte. rsrs


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AMD issues guidelines to retailers to prevent Radeon RX 6000 scalping

AMD does not want Radeon RX 6000 series to be sold to scalpers
The demand for the next-generation graphics cards is noticeable higher. Suddenly everyone needs a new graphics card. A lot more people have decided to upgrade to newer models based on smaller fabrication nodes. NVIDIA was first to announce its GeForce RTX 30 ‘8nm Ampere’ series in September with AMD following with 7nm RDNA2 almost 3 months later.
In order to avoid scalpers from obtaining graphics cards and then reselling them at a much higher price, NVIDIA has implemented captcha in their own official store. The manufacturer later decided to use 3rd party sellers to offer their Founders Edition, in both US and Europe. But this only solved one problem, while the demand is still much higher than the supply.
AMD is also expected to face the huge demand for its next-generation GPUs. After all, customers who need new graphics cards will buy whatever card is available – and no one really knows when RTX 30 series will finally physically on the shelves.
In order to avoid making the same mistake NVIDIA did at the Ampere launch, AMD has sent out a document to its partners outlining the possible measures to prevent scalpers from obtaining the Radeon RX 6000 series cards. A YouTuber RedGamingTech received this document and it was shown in a video:


AMD scalping prevention measures, source: RedGamingTech


Source: RedGamingTech
 

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Sem dlss a AMD tá ferrada. Torço pra que na apresentação da semana que vem eles surpreendam, pq o cenário ta feio pro lado vermelho.

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Sem dlss a AMD tá ferrada. Torço pra que na apresentação da semana que vem eles surpreendam, pq o cenário ta feio pro lado vermelho.

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Já pensou se eles trazem algo como dlss e podendo ser usado nos jogos com TAA sem precisar das empresas? Seria foda demais! Jogo ganhar 4 vezes mais desempenho com imagem melhor é absurdo.
 

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Já pensou se eles trazem algo como dlss e podendo ser usado nos jogos com TAA sem precisar das empresas? Seria foda demais! Jogo ganhar 4 vezes mais desempenho com imagem melhor é absurdo.
Eu realmente tô torcendo pra isso, porque porque enquanto a nvidia tá sossegada demais.

Se a amd trouxer uma solução similar + preço agressivo + disponibilidade de estoque, tem tudo para passar na frente da nvidia.

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AMD issues guidelines to retailers to prevent Radeon RX 6000 scalping

AMD does not want Radeon RX 6000 series to be sold to scalpers
The demand for the next-generation graphics cards is noticeable higher. Suddenly everyone needs a new graphics card. A lot more people have decided to upgrade to newer models based on smaller fabrication nodes. NVIDIA was first to announce its GeForce RTX 30 ‘8nm Ampere’ series in September with AMD following with 7nm RDNA2 almost 3 months later.
In order to avoid scalpers from obtaining graphics cards and then reselling them at a much higher price, NVIDIA has implemented captcha in their own official store. The manufacturer later decided to use 3rd party sellers to offer their Founders Edition, in both US and Europe. But this only solved one problem, while the demand is still much higher than the supply.
AMD is also expected to face the huge demand for its next-generation GPUs. After all, customers who need new graphics cards will buy whatever card is available – and no one really knows when RTX 30 series will finally physically on the shelves.
In order to avoid making the same mistake NVIDIA did at the Ampere launch, AMD has sent out a document to its partners outlining the possible measures to prevent scalpers from obtaining the Radeon RX 6000 series cards. A YouTuber RedGamingTech received this document and it was shown in a video:


AMD scalping prevention measures, source: RedGamingTech


Source: RedGamingTech
Show, já tinha que ter várias medidas nesse naipe. Acho que não tem como evitar as boletagens por aqui, mas pelo menos limitar a uma unidade e meter vários captchas já ajudaria.
 

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