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[billpower]

Eu não descartei por completo as Radeon até porque sempre busco adotar uma solução com Watercooler por aqui então se além da força bruta eu conseguir confirmar outras qualidades no produto deles como poder de overclock, longevidade e uma real possibilidade de implementação das tecnologias talvez eu vá com eles.

 

[ffaabbiio]

Mas elas vão chegar aqui antes do lançamento do jogo???

"The vast majority of games released with ray tracing support use the industry standard Microsoft DirectX Ray Tracing (DXR) API. Three exceptions we are aware of include Quake II RTX, Wolfenstein: Youngblood, and JX3, which use NVIDIA ray tracing extensions for Vulkan."

Parece que as GPUs da amd vão rodar todos os jogos que usam ray tracing, só esses 3 que usam tecnologia proprietária da nvidia.

Não sei se tudo no lançamento. Mais do que nunca é bom esperar as placas da amd serem lançadas e se tiver o suporte analisar os benchmarks com RT.

Enviado de meu Redmi Note 7 usando o Tapatalk

 

[Krion]

Novo rumor dizendo que a RX 6800 supera a RTX 3090, só que não é num quesito que agrade a galera

AMD Radeon RX 6800 allegedly 1.5x faster than GeForce RTX 3090 in cryptocurrency mining

According to a message posted on QQ (and reprinted by Chiphell), AMD Radeon RX 6800 non-XT is 1.5x faster in cryptocurrency mining than GeForce RTX 3090.
NVIDIA Geforce RTX 3090 is currently the best GPU in terms of profit (including electricity cost), according to the Nicehash profitability calculator. It is estimated that the GPU can generate 3.37 USD worth of cryptocurrency each day, reaching 100 USD per month.
If the rumor about 1.5x better mining performance of Radeon RX 6800 is true, then the graphics card could potentially reach 5 USD per day. That of course applies to a single GPU, The profitability increases dramatically when the GPU cost is considered. The RX 6800 non-XT MSRP is only 579 USD, while RTX 3090 costs at least 1499 USD.
Please note that we were unable to confirm this rumor, as the Radeon RX 6800 series review sample allocation is very limited right now. We do hope that this is not entirely true, as another GPU mining craze is certainly not desired right now. Both manufacturers, NVIDIA and AMD, are expected to struggle with their supply in the foreseeable future.
Message from Lean (QQ):

AMD 6800 card just arrived, mining performance at default is amazing, it reached 1.5 times performance of 3090, or even more. I guess non of you will be able to buy this card…. what tests you guys want to see?

A message from user Lean on QQ social media platform, Source: Chiphell



Profitability of ASIC, GPU and CPU hardware with Nicehash mining software

Many thanks to Jackson.G for the tip and translation!
Source: Chiphell, Nicehash

 

[TheK]

Novo rumor dizendo que a RX 6800 supera a RTX 3090, só que não é num quesito que agrade a galera

AMD Radeon RX 6800 allegedly 1.5x faster than GeForce RTX 3090 in cryptocurrency mining

According to a message posted on QQ (and reprinted by Chiphell), AMD Radeon RX 6800 non-XT is 1.5x faster in cryptocurrency mining than GeForce RTX 3090.
NVIDIA Geforce RTX 3090 is currently the best GPU in terms of profit (including electricity cost), according to the Nicehash profitability calculator. It is estimated that the GPU can generate 3.37 USD worth of cryptocurrency each day, reaching 100 USD per month.
If the rumor about 1.5x better mining performance of Radeon RX 6800 is true, then the graphics card could potentially reach 5 USD per day. That of course applies to a single GPU, The profitability increases dramatically when the GPU cost is considered. The RX 6800 non-XT MSRP is only 579 USD, while RTX 3090 costs at least 1499 USD.
Please note that we were unable to confirm this rumor, as the Radeon RX 6800 series review sample allocation is very limited right now. We do hope that this is not entirely true, as another GPU mining craze is certainly not desired right now. Both manufacturers, NVIDIA and AMD, are expected to struggle with their supply in the foreseeable future.
Message from Lean (QQ):



A message from user Lean on QQ social media platform, Source: Chiphell



Profitability of ASIC, GPU and CPU hardware with Nicehash mining software

Many thanks to Jackson.G for the tip and translation!
Source: Chiphell, Nicehash

O que exatamente um hardware precisa para ser um bom minerador? Força bruta? Vai ser muito triste se essa placa for o "Ryzen 5000" das GPUs, mas ficar impossível de comprar por causa dos "mineiros".

 

[Azeon]

Estou com o dinheirinho esperando a promo da 5700XT e nada.
Ano que vem pego uma 6800XT estou cansado de esperar.

Cara eu fiquei tão cego com a 2070 Super por causa de RT+DLSS que ignorei as da AMD, daí ontem olhando com calma vi que a 5700 XT bate de frente com a 2070S e da para achar bem mais em conta aqui no BR.

Vendendo meu PS4 e a 1070 eu pego uma 5700 XT, vamos ver se temos algo interessante nessa BFraude.

 

[Krion]

O que exatamente um hardware precisa para ser um bom minerador? Força bruta? Vai ser muito triste se essa placa for o "Ryzen 5000" das GPUs, mas ficar impossível de comprar por causa dos "mineiros".

Acho que são uma mistura de:
força bruta, hardware ("otimizado" para mineração) e desempenho energético (quanto mais eficiente e menos consumo de energia melhor).

E essas "Big Navi" tem um TDP menor que as RTX 30 series.

 

[Krion]

Sapphire revelou seus novos modelos da BIG NAVI





Sapphire unveils Radeon RX 6800 (XT) NITRO and PULSE series
Sapphire has finally unveiled its custom Radeon RX 6800 series custom graphics cards. Five cards have been released today: RX 6800 XT NITRO+ SE, RX 6800 XT NITRO+ (non-SE), RX 6800 XT PULSE and their respective non-XT variants. Sadly no clock speeds have been published by Sapphire.
All four cards feature a triple-fan and 2.7 slot design. The cards have been equipped with dual 8-pin power connectors. Sapphire recommends a power supply of at least 850W.


Sapphire Radeon RX 6800 XT NITRO+ “Special Edition” (11304-01-20G)
The Radeon RX 6800 XT features 4608 Stream Processors and 16GB of GDDR6 memory. The NITRO+ SE model from Sapphire features RGB lightning around the fans, which seems to be an exclusive feature to this particular model. This card is also equipped with a USB Type-C connector, similar to the AMD reference design.

Specs provided by VideoCardz.NET Database
SAPPHIRE RX 6800 XT 16GB NITRO+ SE
GPU :	Navi 21 XT	Base Clock :	TBD
Cores :	4608	Boost Clock :	TBD
TMUs :	288	Memory Clock :	16 Gbps
ROPs :	128	Memory :	16 GB GDDR6 256b

Sapphire Radeon RX 6800 XT NITRO+ (11304-02-20G)
Compared to 6800XT NITRO+ SE, the RX 6800 non-XT model lacks RGB lighting around the fans. The RX 6800 XT NITRO+ SE is also the only graphics card to feature USB Type-C, the non-SE model lacks this connector.

Specs provided by VideoCardz.NET Database
SAPPHIRE RX 6800 XT 16GB NITRO+
GPU :	Navi 21 XT	Base Clock :	TBD
Cores :	4608	Boost Clock :	TBD
TMUs :	288	Memory Clock :	16 Gbps
ROPs :	128	Memory :	16 GB GDDR6 256b

Sapphire Radeon RX 6800 NITRO+ (11305-01-20G)
The third NITRO+ model is the non-XT variant, meaning that this SKU features 3840 Stream Processors.

Specs provided by VideoCardz.NET Database
SAPPHIRE RX 6800 16GB NITRO+
GPU :	Navi 21 XL	Base Clock :	TBD
Cores :	3840	Boost Clock :	TBD
TMUs :	240	Memory Clock :	16 Gbps
ROPs :	96	Memory :	16 GB GDDR6 256b

Sapphire Radeon RX 6800 XT PULSE (11304-03-20G)
Both XT and non-XT RX 6800 cards appear to be identical in terms of design. Unlike the RX 6800 XT NITRO+, the PULSE series do not feature a USB Type-C connector. The manufacturer has not confirmed if there are any LED illuminated elements on the card, but one would guess that the Sapphire logo on the site will light up.

Specs provided by VideoCardz.NET Database
SAPPHIRE RX 6800 XT 16GB PULSE
GPU :	Navi 21 XT	Base Clock :	TBD
Cores :	4608	Boost Clock :	TBD
TMUs :	288	Memory Clock :	16 Gbps
ROPs :	128	Memory :	16 GB GDDR6 256b

Sapphire Radeon RX 6800 (11305-01-20G)

Specs provided by VideoCardz.NET Database
SAPPHIRE RX 6800 16GB PULSE
GPU :	Navi 21 XL	Base Clock :	TBD
Cores :	3840	Boost Clock :	TBD
TMUs :	240	Memory Clock :	16 Gbps
ROPs :	96	Memory :	16 GB GDDR6 256b

Source: Sapphire

 

[Shinobi4OS]

Mano, o design dessas AMD estão inegavelmente superiores

Essas Sapphire e o modelo de referência "black edition" são perfeitas, na boa

As Sapphire 5700XT (todas elas) pra mim são umas das placas mais lindas que já existiram, pqp.

 

[antonioli]

Nas 5700 XT a versão SE, além da firula RGB, conta com um overclock na GPU e na memória. É algo discreto porque a Nitro+ já tem overclock em relação a Pulse.

 

[Azeon]

Mano, o design dessas AMD estão inegavelmente superiores

Essas Sapphire e o modelo de referência "black edition" são perfeitas, na boa

As Sapphire 5700XT (todas elas) pra mim são umas das placas mais lindas que já existiram, pqp.

Para mim a Founders da nVidia ainda é muito mais bonita, porém as custom a Sapphire capricha demais e nem tem comparação.

 

[Shinobi4OS]

Para mim a Founders da nVidia ainda é muito mais bonita, porém as custom a Sapphire capricha demais e nem tem comparação.

O que curto nas FE é o material utilizado. Bem premium

Mas ainda achei as RTX2000 FE mais bonitas que as 3000

 

[T.Chico]

Cara eu fiquei tão cego com a 2070 Super por causa de RT+DLSS que ignorei as da AMD, daí ontem olhando com calma vi que a 5700 XT bate de frente com a 2070S e da para achar bem mais em conta aqui no BR.

Vendendo meu PS4 e a 1070 eu pego uma 5700 XT, vamos ver se temos algo interessante nessa BFraude.

Estou toda hora de zoio na Nitro+ mes passado teve promo nela de 2700 reais e eu com grana incompleta.

 

[antonioli]

Eu venderia minha 5700 XT Pulse novinha se aparecesse uma 6800 por R$4 mil e pouco

 

[T.Chico]

Sapphire revelou seus novos modelos da BIG NAVI





Sapphire unveils Radeon RX 6800 (XT) NITRO and PULSE series
Sapphire has finally unveiled its custom Radeon RX 6800 series custom graphics cards. Five cards have been released today: RX 6800 XT NITRO+ SE, RX 6800 XT NITRO+ (non-SE), RX 6800 XT PULSE and their respective non-XT variants. Sadly no clock speeds have been published by Sapphire.
All four cards feature a triple-fan and 2.7 slot design. The cards have been equipped with dual 8-pin power connectors. Sapphire recommends a power supply of at least 850W.


Sapphire Radeon RX 6800 XT NITRO+ “Special Edition” (11304-01-20G)
The Radeon RX 6800 XT features 4608 Stream Processors and 16GB of GDDR6 memory. The NITRO+ SE model from Sapphire features RGB lightning around the fans, which seems to be an exclusive feature to this particular model. This card is also equipped with a USB Type-C connector, similar to the AMD reference design.

SAPPHIRE RX 6800 XT 16GB NITRO+ SE
Specs provided by VideoCardz.NET Database
GPU :	Navi 21 XT	Base Clock :	TBD
Cores :	4608	Boost Clock :	TBD
TMUs :	288	Memory Clock :	16 Gbps
ROPs :	128	Memory :	16 GB GDDR6 256b

Sapphire Radeon RX 6800 XT NITRO+ (11304-02-20G)
Compared to 6800XT NITRO+ SE, the RX 6800 non-XT model lacks RGB lighting around the fans. The RX 6800 XT NITRO+ SE is also the only graphics card to feature USB Type-C, the non-SE model lacks this connector.

SAPPHIRE RX 6800 XT 16GB NITRO+
Specs provided by VideoCardz.NET Database
GPU :	Navi 21 XT	Base Clock :	TBD
Cores :	4608	Boost Clock :	TBD
TMUs :	288	Memory Clock :	16 Gbps
ROPs :	128	Memory :	16 GB GDDR6 256b

Sapphire Radeon RX 6800 NITRO+ (11305-01-20G)
The third NITRO+ model is the non-XT variant, meaning that this SKU features 3840 Stream Processors.

SAPPHIRE RX 6800 16GB NITRO+
Specs provided by VideoCardz.NET Database
GPU :	Navi 21 XL	Base Clock :	TBD
Cores :	3840	Boost Clock :	TBD
TMUs :	240	Memory Clock :	16 Gbps
ROPs :	96	Memory :	16 GB GDDR6 256b

Sapphire Radeon RX 6800 XT PULSE (11304-03-20G)
Both XT and non-XT RX 6800 cards appear to be identical in terms of design. Unlike the RX 6800 XT NITRO+, the PULSE series do not feature a USB Type-C connector. The manufacturer has not confirmed if there are any LED illuminated elements on the card, but one would guess that the Sapphire logo on the site will light up.

SAPPHIRE RX 6800 XT 16GB PULSE
Specs provided by VideoCardz.NET Database
GPU :	Navi 21 XT	Base Clock :	TBD
Cores :	4608	Boost Clock :	TBD
TMUs :	288	Memory Clock :	16 Gbps
ROPs :	128	Memory :	16 GB GDDR6 256b

Sapphire Radeon RX 6800 (11305-01-20G)

SAPPHIRE RX 6800 16GB PULSE
Specs provided by VideoCardz.NET Database
GPU :	Navi 21 XL	Base Clock :	TBD
Cores :	3840	Boost Clock :	TBD
TMUs :	240	Memory Clock :	16 Gbps
ROPs :	96	Memory :	16 GB GDDR6 256b

Source: Sapphire

A Nitro+ esta muito semelhante a 5700XT que não é mau, esse novo medelo de Pulse com 3 fans pretona fico linda.

 

[T.Chico]

Eu venderia minha 5700 XT Pulse novinha se aparecesse uma 6800 por R$4 mil e pouco

Tipo pagou 2.200 ates da pandemia em março, agora vende a preço camarada 2.600 usada baratino imperdível

 

[antonioli]

Tipo pagou 2.200 ates da pandemia em março, agora vende a preço camarada 2.600 usada baratino imperdível

Só se a 6800 vier por até R$4600

 

[TheK]

Só se a 6800 vier por até R$4600

Fé na "Black friday" do dólar enquanto os gringos brigam no tribunal.

 

[antonioli]

Fé na "Black friday" do dólar enquanto os gringos brigam no tribunal:

Cuidado com a T0. Edite isso aí.

Complicado que 11/11 é depois de amanhã e o dólar está nas alturas. BF chegará e é difícil ter dólar realmente abaixando e estoque das coisas. Tenso.

 

[TheK]

Cuidado com a T0. Edite isso aí.

Complicado que 11/11 é depois de amanhã e o dólar está nas alturas. BF chegará e é difícil ter dólar realmente abaixando e estoque das coisas. Tenso.

Removi o meme, sorry. Mas de fato vamos ter uma janela com o dólar mais próximo de 5 do que de 6 causado por instabilidade, se os envolvidos estivessem em posição inversa, também seria a mesma coisa. Não que o Dolar de 5 seja barato, mas se pensamos no day0 da 3080, que o dolar estava abaixo de 5,4, o "preço" da 3080 era 5.2k ~5.3k para um produto de 700 usd. Sem dúvida a loucura para comprar afetou forte esse preço, mas de fato teve um salto de quase 50 centz nas semanas seguintes ao lançamento e que pela janela dos acontecimentos atuais está caindo novamente para 5,3 abaixo.

Se o fator gerador da instabilidade se manter até dezembro (apostaria grana nisso), vamos ter uma "boa" BF, nada como a do ano passado, mas "boa o suficiente" para o momento. Com sorte vamos ver a 6800XT abaixo de 5k, nem que seja por breves instantes huehue

 

[antonioli]

Removi o meme, mas de fato vamos ter uma janela com o dólar mais próximo de 5 do que de 6 causado instabilidade, se os envolvidos estivessem em posição inversa, também seria a mesma coisa. Não que o Dolar de 5 seja barato, mas se pensamos no day0 da 3080, que o dolar estava abaixo de 5.4, o "preço" era 5.2 ~5.3 para um produto de 700 usd, sem dúvida a loucura para comprar afetou forte esse preço, mas de fato teve um salto de quase 50 centz ai.

Se o fator gerador da instabilidade se manter até dezembro (apostaria grana nisso), vamos ter uma "boa" BF, nada como a do ano passado, mas "boa o suficiente" para o momento.

A variação tem sido pequena. Acho que o fator primordial agora é estoque. Os estoques estão ridículos. Acho que não dará tempo de ter algo na BF.

Eu aposto naquelas promoções de 20 unidades por um preço atraente o qual você clica e aparece como esgotado.

 

[Azeon]

Tipo pagou 2.200 ates da pandemia em março, agora vende a preço camarada 2.600 usada baratino imperdível

Vendi minha 1060 6GB antes da pandemia por 1k, peguei a 1070 do @antonioli por R$ 1.1k, se ele passar a 5700 XT dele por 2.5k eu compro fácil uma vez que tô vendo de vender essa 1070 por 1.5k, hehehehe.

Só que ao contrário kkkk

 

[antonioli]

Vendi minha 1060 6GB antes da pandemia por 1k, peguei a 1070 do @antonioli por R$ 1.1k, se ele passar a 5700 XT dele por 2.5k eu compro fácil uma vez que tô vendo de vender essa 1070 por 1.5k, hehehehe.

Só que ao contrário kkkk

Quer lucrar em cima de mim maledeto

 

[Krion]

Novo rumor dizendo que a RX 6800 supera a RTX 3090, só que não é num quesito que agrade a galera

AMD Radeon RX 6800 allegedly 1.5x faster than GeForce RTX 3090 in cryptocurrency mining

According to a message posted on QQ (and reprinted by Chiphell), AMD Radeon RX 6800 non-XT is 1.5x faster in cryptocurrency mining than GeForce RTX 3090.
NVIDIA Geforce RTX 3090 is currently the best GPU in terms of profit (including electricity cost), according to the Nicehash profitability calculator. It is estimated that the GPU can generate 3.37 USD worth of cryptocurrency each day, reaching 100 USD per month.
If the rumor about 1.5x better mining performance of Radeon RX 6800 is true, then the graphics card could potentially reach 5 USD per day. That of course applies to a single GPU, The profitability increases dramatically when the GPU cost is considered. The RX 6800 non-XT MSRP is only 579 USD, while RTX 3090 costs at least 1499 USD.
Please note that we were unable to confirm this rumor, as the Radeon RX 6800 series review sample allocation is very limited right now. We do hope that this is not entirely true, as another GPU mining craze is certainly not desired right now. Both manufacturers, NVIDIA and AMD, are expected to struggle with their supply in the foreseeable future.
Message from Lean (QQ):



A message from user Lean on QQ social media platform, Source: Chiphell



Profitability of ASIC, GPU and CPU hardware with Nicehash mining software

Many thanks to Jackson.G for the tip and translation!
Source: Chiphell, Nicehash

Novo update, nesta "nova" novela

No, AMD Big Navi Won’t be 1.5x Faster than NVIDIA’s RTX 3090 in Mining

Many rumors have been floating around lately claiming that AMD’s Big Navi graphics cards will be as much as 1.5x faster than the NVIDIA Ampere flagship, the RTX 3090 in crypto-mining. Before you start panicking, we have some good news for you. No, the Radeon RX 6800XT and the 6900XT won’t be 1.5x faster than the RTX 3090, or maybe even the RTX 3080 in terms of the mining hash-rate. As a certain Twitter user points it out, the mining performance is largely based on the GPU’s raw memory bandwidth.

Navi10: 448GB/s hashrate: 40-50
Vega20: 1024GB/s hashrate: 90-100
Navi21: 512GB/s hashrate:

you get the meth here
Infinity Cache is too smol to have any impact.
— Bullsh1t_Buster (@Bullsh1t_buster) November 9, 2020

All the top mining cards in the past, including the Radeon VII and Vega 56/64 had a massive bandwidth, thanks to the use of HBM memory. The reason why the RTX 3080/3090 are a notch above the Turing lineup in mining performance is due to their higher bandwidth (GDDR6X + wider bus), rather than the increased shader count (they do help, but not as much).

Mining usually involves large data-sets that perform better on GPUs with enhanced compute performance (GCN), and as we mentioned, wider bandwidth, as you have to move all that data around. So, no, the RX 6800XT or the 6900XT won’t be beating the RTX 3080/3090 in crypto-mining by 1.5x. They may perhaps level with them or just outperform them, but our money is on the former.

 

[Krion]

AMD Radeon RX 6000 ray tracing performance goal is 1440p resolution

In an interview with TheStreet, AMD Rick Bergman suggested that RDNA3 architecture should provide a similar performance per watt improvement over RDNA2.
AMD talks RDNA2 ray-tracing and super-resolution
AMD’s Eric Bergman, the former CEO for Synaptics now working for AMD as Executive Vide Present has been asked in the interview about the future of Radeon graphics, including the upcoming Radeon RX 6000 series and its successor.

Unfortunately, AMD did not yet disclose too many details about the ray tracing performance of its RDNA2 based on NAVI 21 GPU, the heart of Radeon RX 6900, and the 6800 series. Although the manufacturer made a commitment it will support the industry standards such as the upcoming Vulkan Ray Tracing API and Microsoft DirectX Ray Tracing.

Next week, on November 18th first reviews of the AMD Radeon RX 6800 series will be published by independent tech journalists. We have heard that they are already in possession of the working drivers, hence we might learn about the true ray tracing acceleration potential of the RDNA2 architecture very soon. That’s in case AMD will not disclose any details themselves.



AMD Navi 21 GPU with Ray Accelerators

In the interview with TheStreet Eric Bergman revealed that AMD’s performance goal is 1440p resolution:

Eric Bergman: And our goal was at 1440p [resolution], to have a great ray-tracing experience. And that was kind of the performance level that we targeted. Now it depends on particular games and everybody’s systems and so on, but I think you’ll find that we have very good ray-tracing performance overall. And the game support will be strong as we go through 2021, because again, we get that great leverage. It’s just built in: You support ray tracing on Microsoft or Sony [consoles], you’re supporting AMD on the PC side as well.

Of course, this was the initial (as of now official) target. We do not know if the statement refers to the upcoming Radeon RX 6900 XT graphics card as well (featuring the full-fat Big Navi).
We have also recently covered a topic of AMD’s potential answer to NVIDIA DLSS technology (deep learning super sampling – AI super-resolution upscaling). AMD has not confirmed when will such technology be available, but Bergman confirmed that for now it is called FSR (FidelityX Super Resolution) and that feature should be implemented eventually:

Eric Bergman: We don’t have a lot of details that we want to talk about. So we called [our solution] FSR — FidelityFX Super Resolution. But we are committed to getting that feature implemented, and we’re working with ISVs at this point. I’ll just say AMD’s approach on these types of technologies is to make sure we have broad platform support, and not require proprietary solutions [to be supported by] the ISVs. And that’s the approach that we’re taking. So as we go through next year, you’ll get a lot more details on it.

AMD RDNA3
Bergman was also asked about the future GPU architecture – RDNA3 – performance per watt improvements, whether similar architectural gains are to be expected when moving from RDNA2. He confirmed that AMD has the same (aggressive) commitment to such performance per watt improvements for RDNA3:

Eric Bergman: Let’s step back and talk about the benefits of both. So why did we target, pretty aggressively, performance per watt [improvements for] our RDNA 2 [GPUs]. And then yes, we have the same commitment on RDNA 3.
[…] If you can improve your perf-per-watt substantially. On the notebook side, that’s of course even more obvious, because you’re in a very constrained space, you can just bring more performance to that platform again without some exotic cooling solutions…We focused on that on RDNA 2. It’s a big focus on RDNA 3 as well.

AMD RDNA3 architecture with Navi 3X GPUs

Another interesting part of the interview is the question about Infinity Cache on RDNA3 GPUs. Bergman thinks that if the RDNA2 Infinity Cache brings performance benefits, then RDNA3 Infinity Cache will definitely be considered as an option:

Eric Bergman: We want to look forward and see what architecture will scale going forward. [With] Infinity Cache, the performance benefits, the performance-per-watt benefits, the cost benefits [made it] a pretty easy decision to make….I don’t want to talk about our next generation [of products], but as you can imagine, when you get those benefits, it’ll certainly be on the table for our next generation.”

AMD has not confirmed the launch year for the RDNA3 series, but according to the official roadmap, the architecture should appear by 2022. The graphics cards based on this architecture will use a new fabrication process (AMD did not confirm the foundry and the node yet). It is possible that AMD will be focusing on delivering the next-gen ‘ultimate platform’, featuring both RDNA3 and Zen4 CPUs.

AMD will now be focusing on its transition to the AM5 socket platform supporting DDR5 memory (and maybe even PCIe 5.0). We do not know if these are Ryzen 6000 series, or if there are any possible architecture refreshes in the channel, but Bergman did say in the same interview that such a possibility is also considered. Please check the link below for the full review.
Rick Bergman is Executive Vice President, Computing and Graphics Business Group at AMD
Source: TheStreet

 

[Krion]

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AMD Promises A Massive Perf Per Watt Improvement With Next-Gen RDNA 3 Radeon RX GPUs Over RDNA 2

AMD has reaffirmed that they are committed to offering the same massive graphics perf per watt improvement which they delivered in its RDNA 2 GPU lineup for its next-gen RDNA 3 GPU powered Radeon RX graphics lineup. This much was stated by AMD's Executive Vice President, Rick Bergman, who talked with The Street regarding their next-generation products including Zen 4 CPUs & RDNA 3 GPUs.

AMD Committed To Offering Massive Perf Per Watt Gains With Next-Gen RDNA 3 Radeon RX GPU Lineup, Will Take Full Advantage of 5nm Process Node For Zen 4

During the interview, Rick talked about both the current generation RDNA 2 & the next-gen RDNA 3 GPUs. For RDNA 3, AMD says that they will be leveraging more advanced process nodes and using Infinity Cache in a more proficient way to allow for similar gains which we saw when moving from RDNA 1 to RDNA 2. According to AMD's claims, RDNA 2 based Radeon RX GPUs deliver a 50% perf per watt improvement over their predecessors and AMD promises us to expect similar gains with the third generation RDNA GPU architecture.

AMD's Rick Bergman on Next-Gen RDNA 3 GPUs For Radeon RX Graphics Cards
Q- Whether AMD is aiming for its RDNA 3 GPUs, which will use a more advanced manufacturing process, to deliver performance-per-watt improvements similar to the 50%-plus improvements delivered by its RDNA 2 GPUs, and its future plans for the Infinity Cache technology used by RDNA 2 GPUs.
Bergman: “Let's step back and talk about the benefits of both. So why did we target, pretty aggressively, performance per watt [improvements for] our RDNA 2 [GPUs]. And then yes, we have the same commitment on RDNA 3.”
“It just matters so much in many ways, because if your power is too high -- as we've seen from our competitors -- suddenly our potential users have to buy bigger power supplies, very advanced cooling solutions. And in a lot of ways, very importantly, it actually drives the [bill of materials] of the board up substantially This is a desktop perspective. And invariably, that either means the retail price comes up, or your GPU cost has to come down.”
“So [there are] actually a lot of efficiencies...if you can improve your perf-per-watt substantially. On the notebook side, that's of course even more obvious, because you're in a very constrained space, you can just bring more performance to that platform again without some exotic cooling solutions...We focused on that on RDNA 2. It's a big focus on RDNA 3 as well.”
“On Infinity Cache, it's somewhat linked to that as well, to a certain degree. If you've been in graphics for a long time, you realize there's a pretty good correlation between memory bandwidth and performance. And so typically, the way you do it is you jack up your memory speed and widen your [memory] bus to open up performance. Unfortunately, both of those things drive up power [consumption].”
AMD EVP, Rick Bergman, via The Street

We know little about RDNA 3 at the moment but we know that it will be based on a more advanced process node so we can expect either 7nm EUV or 5nm. The other interesting detail is that AMD is committed to uplift perf per watt gains over NVIDIA. This is the same philosophy that pushed AMD back in the top spot versus Intel on the desktop front and if they succeed, then NVIDIA will also get some heated competition in the future.


For Zen 4, Rick acknowledges that just like RDNA 3, the next-gen CPU architecture will be making full use of the 5nm process node but will also get carried by an improved branch prediction unit, cache subsystem, a number of gates, core count increases, clock speeds and overall IPC gains from the improvement architecture. AMD's next-gen Ryzen CPUs based on the Zen 4 architecture will be the first to feature support on the AM5 socket and are expected to adopt DDR5 memory along with improvement across the boards to the CPUs and the platform itself too.

AMD's Rick Bergman on Next-Gen Zen 4 Cores For Ryzen CPUs
Q- How much of the performance gains delivered by AMD’s Zen 4 CPUs, which are expected to use a 5nm TSMC process and might arrive in early 2022, will come from instructions per clock (IPC) gains as opposed to core count and clock speed increases.
Bergman: “[Given] the maturity of the x86 architecture now, the answer has to be, kind of, all of the above. If you looked at our technical document on Zen 3, it was this long list of things that we did to get that 19% [IPC gain]. Zen 4 is going to have a similar long list of things, where you look at everything from the caches, to the branch prediction, [to] the number of gates in the execution pipeline. Everything is scrutinized to squeeze more performance out.”
“Certainly [manufacturing] process opens an additional door for us to [obtain] better performance-per-watt and so on, and we'll take advantage of that as well.”
AMD EVP, Rick Bergman, via The Street

As for which product will be first to market with a 5nm process, Rick says that it still needs to be evaluated but Zen (4) does gain more with the new process node as it helps IPC and frequency gains by a bigger factor. This might also hint that RDNA 3 GPUs could be utilizing 5nm instead of enhanced 7nm nodes.



Finally and most importantly, Rick unveiled that AMD is targetting 1440p as the standard resolution for its raytracing solution. AMD themselves have not revealed much about the raytracing graphics performance of its ray-accelerator core powered Radeon RX lineup which will include the Radeon RX 6900 XT, RX 6800 XT & RX 6800 graphics cards but at least we get a baseline of where to expect the Radeon GPUs to land.

AMD's Rick Bergman on RDNA 2 Radeon RX 6000 Series Raytracing Performance
The ray-tracing performance that will be delivered by AMD’s recently-announced Radeon RX 6000 desktop GPUs -- they’re the first to use its RDNA 2 GPU architecture, and will start reaching consumers’ hands on Nov. 18 -- and how AMD sees its ray-tracing game ecosystem growing.
Bergman: “And our goal was at 1440p [resolution], to have a great ray-tracing experience. And that was kind of the performance level that we targeted. Now it depends on particular games and everybody's systems and so on, but I think you'll find that we have very good ray-tracing performance overall. And the game support will be strong as we go through 2021, because again, we get that great leverage. It's just built in: You support ray tracing on Microsoft or Sony [consoles], you're supporting AMD on the PC side as well.”
AMD EVP, Rick Bergman, via The Street

AMD has promised that it will be supporting raytracing in all games that are based on the Microsoft DXR & Vulkan raytracing APIs and you can check more details on that here.





Rick also mentioned about AMD's competitor to NVIDIA's DLSS and it looks like he didn't have any more details to share than what we already know except the fact that it would be known as FSR or FidelityFX Super Resolution.

AMD's Rick Bergman on RDNA 2's DLSS Competitor Technology - FSR
AMD’s plans for rolling out a solution similar to Nvidia’s Deep Learning Super Sampling, which boosts game performance by using AI inference to help render scenes.
“We don’t have a lot of details that we want to talk about. So we called [our solution] FSR -- FidelityFX Super Resolution. But we are committed to getting that feature implemented, and we're working with ISVs at this point. I’ll just say AMD’s approach on these types of technologies is to make sure we have broad platform support, and not require proprietary solutions [to be supported by] the ISVs. And that's the approach that we're taking. So as we go through next year, you'll get a lot more details on it.”
AMD EVP, Rick Bergman, via The Street

 

[John Frusciante]

galera, uma dúvida

vi que ambos os novos consoles consomem 200W rodando os jogos. Então posso estimar que a GPU RDNA 2 de PC semelhante a dos consoles seja aquela que terá consumo entre 120 a 160W, não?

 

[Krion]

Novos benchs "vazados" das Big Navi


Compute performance of Radeon RX 6800 series leaks.
AMD Radeon RX 6800 and RX 6800 XT OpenCL performance

At Geekbench the alleged benchmark result of the upcoming Radeon RX 6800 series have been spotted by APISAK. These are, unfortunately, the Geekbench 4.4 results (the software’s 5.1.2 version is already available).

It appears that the same user has tested multiple GPUs using the same system, meaning we have a point of reference for better comparison. The testing was concluded using a system featuring Intel Comet Lake CPU (Core i9-10900K) on the ROG Maximus XII Extreme (Z490) motherboard paired with 16GB DDR4 memory clocked at 3600 MHz.

Five scores were saved by the Geekbench database, three of RX 6800XT, and two of RX 6800. There is a 3% to 5% difference in scores between the results, unfortunately, the software does not explain if the variance is caused by overclocking or because it is simply that unstable. The software reports a 1.81 GHz clock for the RX 6800 and 2.02 GHz frequency for RX 6800 XT (both are official game clocks).



AMD Radeon RX 6800XT and RX 6800 in Geekbench

AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT appears to offer 109% to 114% performance of GeForce RTX 3070. The non-XT version of the RX 6800 offers very similar performance to RTX 3070 (96 to 99%), however, the performance varies depending on the workload.
It appears that Big Navi has much better performance in Sparse Fast Fourier Transform calculations (180% to 220%) while being noticeably slower than NVIDIA Ampere in histogram equalization (58% to 76% of RTX 3070).

Do note that the “Radeon RX6800 XT #4” result, which was added later, was performed with a different system (Ryzen 9 5950X), while other results were performed using the same Intel i9-10900K platform.

	Radeon RX 6800 XT #4	Radeon RX 6800 XT #3	Radeon RX 6800 XT #2	Radeon RX 6800 XT #1	Radeon RX 6800 #2	Radeon RX 6800 #1	GeForce RTX 3080	GeForce RTX 3070
AMD Radeon RX 6800 Series Geekbench results
Sobel	1087976 (129%)	1071499 (127%)	859559 (102%)	750440 (89%)	746974 (88%)	715348 (85%)	1199829 (142%)	844805 (100%)
Histogram Equalization	329540 (85%)	226192 (58%)	295415 (76%)	274084 (70%)	259744 (67%)	265402 (68%)	465819 (120%)	389537 (100%)
SFFT	127859 (239%)	117706 (220%)	109160 (204%)	121848 (228%)	96057 (180%)	97787 (183%)	86286 (162%)	53397 (100%)
Gaussian Blur	1007917 (139%)	898063 (124%)	821605 (114%)	820894 (114%)	743985 (103%)	808767 (112%)	1041852 (144%)	723012 (100%)
Face Detection	114723 (112%)	113847 (112%)	113280 (111%)	110522 (108%)	87035 (85%)	91447 (90%)	112365 (110%)	102073 (100%)
RAW	4134309 (146%)	3731144 (132%)	3777187 (133%)	3632740 (128%)	2882122 (102%)	3119262 (110%)	4475757 (158%)	2830787 (100%)
Depth of Field	1532035 (101%)	1354456 (90%)	1359672 (90%)	1191858 (79%)	1137599 (75%)	1136803 (75%)	1909551 (126%)	1510381 (100%)
Particle Physics	56505 (108%)	57560 (111%)	57263 (110%)	57382 (110%)	53293 (102%)	53390 (102%)	49976 (96%)	52071 (100%)
Overall Score	456837 (127%)	413121 (114%)	407387 (113%)	392643 (109%)	347137 (96%)	356337 (99%)	470743 (130%)	361042 (100%)

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 vs AMD Radeon RX 6800 non-XT (best):


AMD RX 6800 vs NVIDIA RTX 3070

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 vs AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT (best):


AMD RX 6800 vs NVIDIA RTX 3080

VideoCardz	GeForce RTX 3080	GeForce RTX 3070	Radeon RX 6800XT	Radeon RX 6800
NVIDIA & AMD High-End GPUs 2020-2021
Picture
Architecture	NVIDIA Ampere	NVIDIA Ampere	AMD RDNA2	AMD RDNA2
GPU	8nm GA102-200	8nm GA104-300	7nm Navi 21 XT	7nm Navi 21 XL
Transistors	28.3 B	17.4 B	26.8 B	26.8 B
GPU Clusters	68	46	72	60
FP32 Cores	8704	5888	4608	3840
RT Accelerators	68	46	72	60
Tensor Cores	272	184	N/A	N/A
Texture Units	272	184	288	240
ROPs	96	96	128	96
Base Clock	1440 MHz	1500 MHz	1825 MHz	1700 MHz
Game Clock	N/A	N/A	2015 MHz	1815 MHz
Boost Clock	1710 MHz	1725 MHz	2250 MHz	2105 MHz
Memory	10 GB G6X	8 GB G6	16GB G6	16GB G6
Infinity Cache	N/A	N/A	128 MB	128 MB
Memory Clock	19 Gbps	14 Gbps	16 Gbps	16 Gbps
Memory Bandwidth	760 GB/s	448 GB/s	512 GB/s	512 GB/s
Memory Bus	320-bit	256-bit	256-bit	256-bit
TGP/TBP	320W	220	300W	250W
MSRP	699 USD	499 USD	649 USD	579 USD
Release Date	Sep 17th, 2020	Oct 29th, 2020	Nov 18th, 2020	Nov 18th, 2020

Update: a new result has been spotted by APISAK, this time utilizing AMD Ryzen 9 5950X processors. It is better than the scores reached on Intel systems:


AMD RX 6800 XT with Ryzen 9 5950X vs AMD RX 6800 XT with Intel Core i9-10900K, Source

Sources via @TUM_APISAK:

 

[Krion]

XFX já esta preparando seus modelos

 

[durabolin]

Que placa linda

 

[RedCzar777]

XFX já esta preparando seus modelos

Realmente muito bonita!

 

[WaGuinho_SCCP]

Que a XFX lance modelo com projeto de refrigeração modesto sendo que os últimos modelos ai tá de pegar fogo rs

 

[Krion]

BIG Navis da ASUS e MSI





ASUS Radeon RX 6800 XT 16GB

Specs provided by VideoCardz.NET Database
ASUS RX 6800 XT 16GB
GPU :	Navi 21 XT	Base Clock :	1825 MHz
Cores :	4608	Boost Clock :	2015 MHz
TMUs :	288	Memory Clock :	16 Gbps
ROPs :	128	Memory :	16 GB GDDR6 256b

ASUS Radeon RX 6800 16GB

Specs provided by VideoCardz.NET Database
ASUS RX 6800 16GB
GPU :	Navi 21 XL	Base Clock :	1700 MHz
Cores :	3840	Boost Clock :	1815 MHz
TMUs :	240	Memory Clock :	16 Gbps
ROPs :	96	Memory :	16 GB GDDR6 256b

MSI Radeon RX 6800 XT 16GB

Specs provided by VideoCardz.NET Database
MSI RX 6800 XT 16GB
GPU :	Navi 21 XT	Base Clock :	1825 MHz
Cores :	4608	Boost Clock :	2015 MHz
TMUs :	288	Memory Clock :	16 Gbps
ROPs :	128	Memory :	16 GB GDDR6 256b

MSI Radeon RX 6800 16GB

Specs provided by VideoCardz.NET Database
MSI RX 6800 16GB
GPU :	Navi 21 XL	Base Clock :	1700 MHz
Cores :	3840	Boost Clock :	1815 MHz
TMUs :	240	Memory Clock :	16 Gbps
ROPs :	96	Memory :	16 GB GDDR6 256b

Custom models from ASUS and MSI
Both manufacturers have already unveiled their custom designs (partially). ASUS is working on its ROG STRIX and TUF Gaming series, while MSI has already showcased its GAMING X Trio design:


ASUS Radeon RX 6800 (ROG STIRX LC, ROG STRIC OC, TUF GAMING) Series




MSI Radeon RX 6800 GAMING X TRIO Series

 

[Tassadar_]

Msi lindona!

 

[Krion]

Far Cry 6 to Support Ray Tracing on AMD Big Navi GPUs

Far Cry 6 promises to be one of the biggest releases of the coming generation when it drops next spring. Details are already leaking about how it will run on PC, along with the ray-tracing capabilities on different devices.

The system requirements have not officially been announced yet, but PC Game Benchmark suggests that it will require a minimum of 8GB memory and around 100GB of storage, with 16GB being the recommended value. In terms of the GPU, you looking at an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 or equivalent at the very least, but ideally a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Ti or equivalent. They also believe that an Intel Core i7-6700K will be recommended, but that you may be able to run it on Intel Core i5-4460. Lastly, keep in mind that this is mere speculation and the actual requirements may be higher.

It is comparable with other titles, such as CDPR’s blockbuster RPG, Cyberpunk 2027, which supports ray tracing. Far Cry 6 has also been confirmed as supporting ray tracing. In truth, the game will likely need NVIDIA’s DLSS 2.0 for optimal performance with ray tracing. However, it’ll also support it on AMD’s recently announced Big Navi GPUs. Team Red is also working on a DLSS alternative to absorb the performance hit, but at the moment there’s no ETA on when it’ll be available.

The challenge for game developers today is to make something that does not just play well, but looks amazing and delivers an immersive experience beyond the expectation of gamers even a few years ago. Far Cry 3, which was set on the fictional Rook Islands, a tropical archipelago, lifted the series from the mid-range shooters to the top of the pile but did so with great characters and a storyline to boot. The villainous Vass still resonates with gamers today and although the Rook Islands were attractive to look at, the demands placed upon the developers by consumers in that area were far less stringent.

With the ninth generation of consoles on the cusp of going mainstream, ray tracing and the like is expected, and a game that plays well but looks ‘last generation’ will likely be panned for not utilizing the hardware available. For a franchise such as Far Cry, the challenge is to stand up when compared to iconic titles earlier in the franchise, but also to deliver something new and exciting. The Far Cry series lost its way a little after the third installment and is back in a tropical climate doubtless looking to reclaim some of the past glory.

The new release will be set on Yara, a fictional Caribbean island ruled as a dictatorship by El Presidente Antón Castillo, who will be played by Breaking Bad star Giancarlo Esposito. It is not the first time the Caribbean will have been used for a video game setting either. The lush greenery set against deep blue seas and sunshine has provided an attractive backdrop across a range of releases. A number of the titles featured on Foxy Games use the Caribbean as a setting, including Pearl of the Caribbean and Pixies v Pirates. The Pirates of the Caribbean series also made a splash on consoles, whilst Assassin’s Creed Black Flag even aped Far Cry 6 in being a crossover title, released on two generations of machines at once.

By revisiting the setting of Far Cry 3, but adding in the depth and substance of a current-generation game, Ubisoft will be hoping to get the franchise back on track. That may be the case for the console release, but with specifications not yet confirmed for PC, the jury is still going to be very much out.

 

[Krion]

Lembrando que ainda tem a "RX 6900 XT" que é uns 30% mais forte que a "RX 6800 XT"



AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT Reportedly Overclocks Beyond 2.5 GHz, Performance Matches The RTX 3090



We are a week away from the launch of AMD's Radeon RX 6800 XT graphics card and it looks like more results have started to leak out. The Radeon RX 6800 XT is reportedly great for overclocking as demonstrated by @OneRaichu through a GPU-z screenshot where the card is running beyond 2.5 GHz.


AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT Reportedly An 'Overclockers Dream', Overclocked Beyond 2.5 GHz & Matches RTX 3090's Performance
The AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT is the Big Navi GPU based graphics card that many are going to go after considering it is placed perfectly between the RX 6800 and RX 6900 XT while offering decent price to performance value. In the GPU-z screenshots shared, the card can be seen running at a clock speed of around 2.55 GHz which is very impressive considering that the max power draw at these clock speeds is reported under 300W whereas the card itself has a TBP of 300W at the stock clocks.
AMD 3rd Gen EPYC 7763 ‘Milan’ Zen 3 CPU Pictured, 64 Cores, 128 Threads, 2.45 GHz Base & 3.5 GHz Boost Clocks On Early Sample
AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT Overclocked GPU-z Screenshot:

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— Raichu (@OneRaichu) November 12, 2020

It is also mentioned that the performance at these clock speeds is close to the GeForce RTX 3090 and there's no doubt that the AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT will end up being faster in a handful AAA titles versus the competitor's flagship offering since AMD's official stock performance results had already shown it performing better in 5 out of 10 titles.

In addition to the Radeon RX 6800 XT, we also managed to find a stock run of the Radeon RX 6800 (Non-XT) model which runs at 2.27 GHz out of the box. The maximum temperature for the card is reported at 74C with the stock triple-fan cooler while the GPU temperature hot-spot is reported at 95C. The maximum power usage is not mentioned but it should be around the 250W TBP which is advertised for the non-XT model.


AMD Radeon RX 6800 (Non-XT) Stock GPU-z Screenshot:
AMD Teams With IBM To Improve Secure ‘Confidential Computing’ Cloud Data Processing




AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT & RX 6800 OpenCL Benchmarks Leaked Too
In addition to the GPU-z screenshots, the OpenCL benchmarks of the Radeon RX 6800 XT and RX 6800 also leaked out through Geekbench by TUM_APISAK. There are several results for both cards which have been listed at Geekbench and Videocardz managed to compile them in a singular chart which shows that the Radeon RX 6800 is about as fast as the RTX 3070 while the RX 6800 XT is up to 20% faster than the RTX 3070 on average and some results are even on par with the GeForce RTX 3080.

You can see the performance metrics below:


AMD Radeon RX 6800 Series OpenCL Graphics performance compared to GeForce RTX 30 Series. (Image Credits: Videocardz)
The AMD Radeon RX 6800 series graphics cards seemed to offer much better performance when paired with an AMD Ryzen system than the Intel Core-based systems which is not a surprise since Radeon RX 6000 series cards have more feature support on the Ryzen 5000 platform such as the SAM (Smart Access Memory) technology which can help in certain workloads and games. The GPU clocks were reported at a stock of 1.81 GHz for the Radeon RX 6800 and 2.02 GHz for the Radeon RX 6800 XT graphics card.





AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT "Big Navi 21 XT" GPU Powered 16 GB Graphics Card
The AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT will come packed with the Navi 21 XT GPU which is a cut-down SKU featuring 72 Compute Units or 4608 SPs. The card will also feature 16 GB of GDDR6 memory across a 256-bit bus interface, a 512 GB/s total bandwidth, and clock speeds of 2015 MHz base and 2250 MHz boost at reference specs. The AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT also packs 72 Ray Accelerators which are dedicated for real-time raytracing workloads. The card will feature a based TBP of 300W with factory-overclocked models pushing it above 350W and will arrive at a later date.


In addition to the standard memory, the Radeon RX 6800 series graphics cards will also feature 128 MB of Infinity Cache on the GPU die. The cache will help boost bandwidth for higher performance at resolutions beyond 1080p HD. The 128 MB Infinity Cache boosts the standard 512 GB/s bandwidth by 3.25x, delivering an effective bandwidth of up to 1.664 TB/s across all Big Navi GPU based graphics cards.

MD Radeon RX 6000 Series Graphics Cards Pricing & Availability
The AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT graphics cards will be available starting the 8th of December. The AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT is said to carry a price tag of $999 US and is expected to be a reference only model for this year unless AMD gives its AIB partners a greenlight for custom variants which may be in the plans. The RX 6800 XT and Radeon RX 6800 will be launching in the retail market on 18th November for $649 US and $579 US, respectively.