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Star Wars Episode VIII - The Last Jedi (TÓPICO OFICIAL)

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‘Black Panther’ Surpasses ‘Star Wars: The Last Jedi’ Domestically as Top Blu-ray of 2018 So Far

Marvel Studios’ Black Panther is now the domestic best-selling disc, selling more units than Star Wars: The Last Jedi, which was reported last week as the top-selling Blu-ray of 2018 so far.

As revealed by The-Numbers, Black Panther has sold more than 3,912,932 units and exceeded more than $82.2 million in sales since its May 15 release. That puts Black Panther ahead of The Last Jedi, released two months earlier on March 27, which has earned $84.9 million with 3,896,015 units sold.

Worldwide, The Last Jedi still holds the top spot at 3,024,845 units sold at $69.5 million to Black Panther’s 2,654,015 units with $59.9 million. Avengers: Infinity War, which emerged as the highest-grossing movie of 2018 with a $2.046 billion worldwide haul, has yet to rank on the list since its August 14 disc debut.

Domestically, Disney holds four of the top five spots with Black Panther, The Last Jedi, Disney-Pixar’s Coco (3,427,193 units and $67.5m) and Marvel’s Thor: Ragnarok(3,064,931 units and $64.6m), followed by Fox’s Hugh Jackman-led musical The Greatest Showman (2,774,291 units and $48.8m).

Black Panther has also moved the most DVDs in the U.S. at 1,258,917 units and $22.2 million earned, ahead of Coco (1,184,204 units and $18.9m), Dwayne Johnson’s Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle (1,089,979 units and $19.1m), Greatest Showman (970,312 units and $14.2m), and Wonder (903,060 units and $12.7m). The Last Jedi ranks sixth at 871,170 units and $15.4m.

A worldwide phenomenon, the Ryan Coogler-directed Black Panther proved the second-best earner of 2018 — behind only Infinity War — with a $1.34 billion box office haul, making it the ninth highest-grossing movie of all time. Black Panther became just the third film to reach $700 million at the domestic box office, coming in ahead of Infinity War ($678m) and behind only Star Wars: The Force Awakens ($936m) and James Cameron’s Avatar ($760m).

Disney now owns exactly half of the top ten biggest grossers worldwide, with BlackPanther one of three Marvel Studios productions on the list (behind The Avengers' $1.51 billion and Avengers: Age of Ultron's $1.40 billion).

The studio similarly dominated the box office in 2017, where The Last Jedi became the highest-grossing film of the year with $1.33 billion, followed by Disney’s own live-action Beauty and the Beast at $1.26 billion.

Its Marvel titles — Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 and Thor: Ragnarok — ranked eighth and ninth in the top ten, respectively, pulling in $863m and $853m. The MCU’s three 2018 releases have earned more than $4 billion at the worldwide box office to date.

Ant-Man and the Wasp is the next to reach home media on October 16.


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A alegria durou pouco, hein, Lucasfilm? :kkk
 
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‘Black Panther’ Surpasses ‘Star Wars: The Last Jedi’ Domestically as Top Blu-ray of 2018 So Far

Marvel Studios’ Black Panther is now the domestic best-selling disc, selling more units than Star Wars: The Last Jedi, which was reported last week as the top-selling Blu-ray of 2018 so far.
As revealed by The-Numbers, Black Panther has sold more than 3,912,932 units and exceeded more than $82.2 million in sales since its May 15 release. That puts Black Panther ahead of The Last Jedi, released two months earlier on March 27, which has earned $84.9 million with 3,896,015 units sold.

Worldwide, The Last Jedi still holds the top spot at 3,024,845 units sold at $69.5 million to Black Panther’s 2,654,015 units with $59.9 million. Avengers: Infinity War, which emerged as the highest-grossing movie of 2018 with a $2.046 billion worldwide haul, has yet to rank on the list since its August 14 disc debut.

Domestically, Disney holds four of the top five spots with Black Panther, The Last Jedi, Disney-Pixar’s Coco (3,427,193 units and $67.5m) and Marvel’s Thor: Ragnarok(3,064,931 units and $64.6m), followed by Fox’s Hugh Jackman-led musical The Greatest Showman (2,774,291 units and $48.8m).

Black Panther has also moved the most DVDs in the U.S. at 1,258,917 units and $22.2 million earned, ahead of Coco (1,184,204 units and $18.9m), Dwayne Johnson’s Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle (1,089,979 units and $19.1m), Greatest Showman (970,312 units and $14.2m), and Wonder (903,060 units and $12.7m). The Last Jedi ranks sixth at 871,170 units and $15.4m.

A worldwide phenomenon, the Ryan Coogler-directed Black Panther proved the second-best earner of 2018 — behind only Infinity War — with a $1.34 billion box office haul, making it the ninth highest-grossing movie of all time. Black Panther became just the third film to reach $700 million at the domestic box office, coming in ahead of Infinity War ($678m) and behind only Star Wars: The Force Awakens ($936m) and James Cameron’s Avatar ($760m).

Disney now owns exactly half of the top ten biggest grossers worldwide, with BlackPanther one of three Marvel Studios productions on the list (behind The Avengers' $1.51 billion and Avengers: Age of Ultron's $1.40 billion).

The studio similarly dominated the box office in 2017, where The Last Jedi became the highest-grossing film of the year with $1.33 billion, followed by Disney’s own live-action Beauty and the Beast at $1.26 billion.

Its Marvel titles — Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 and Thor: Ragnarok — ranked eighth and ninth in the top ten, respectively, pulling in $863m and $853m. The MCU’s three 2018 releases have earned more than $4 billion at the worldwide box office to date.

Ant-Man and the Wasp is the next to reach home media on October 16.


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A alegria durou pouco, hein, Lucasfilm? :kkk
Acredite, vão se lembrar daqui a 10 anos que foi o filme que mais vendeu BRs em 2018, isso é que importa pra eles.

Provar que quem lacra, lucra. Mesmo que seja mentira.
 

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S04E23 - A nova trilogia vai funcionar melhor para Ruin Johnson... Só precisamos convencer os fãs a irem assisti-la!


Why a new Star Wars trilogy could work better for Rian Johnson
Rian Johnson has endured a great deal of fan backlash. Much of the complaints relate to his handling of the Star Wars saga’s core elements, such as character Luke Skywalker. Could a fresh trilogy be a bigger hit among fans?

Rian Johnson isn’t a bad storyteller. The Last Jedi was an ambitious story that took Star Wars to aggressive new levels. The problem wasn’t so much in the story, but in how the Jedi and Luke Skywalker were handled.

Johnson himself has confirmed his trilogy of films is still happening. While some of the fandom may take this as unwelcome news, it may be a good thing.

George Lucas faced a lot of criticism with the prequels regarding his handling of Darth Vader. We knew him in the original trilogy as a brutal and uncompromising dark lord.

We then see Darth Vader as an ambitious little kid who grows into a naive and temperamental teenager. While highlighting these stages is necessary in the story of his transformation, it was still unwelcome by many.

The prequel films were also different in their stories.

The Phantom Menace wasn’t a rehash of A New Hope. The parallels also don’t exist for the other two films. They were fresh stories.

The former Expanded Universe is revered among fans because of its ambition. It wasn’t the same old, tired dark side user vs. light side motif. Stories were different than the movies.

The Jedi were not always seen as the good guys.

The Fate of the Jedi novels followed a somewhat similar theme as The Last Jedi. There was widespread distrust of the Jedi and a belief that they were too dangerous. This was due to the fall of Jacen Solo, son of Han and Leia, to the dark side. Similar to Kylo Ren, he sought to enact a dark reign across the galaxy.

The story itself isn’t bad, The Last Jedi just played with our nostalgic hearts by drastically changing Luke Skywalker.

Johnson also took a controversial avenue by casting doubt on the Jedi. Until this point, the movies have portrayed them in a positive light. In the prequels, they were the defenders of the republic. In the original trilogy, Luke was the new hope.

Legends has the Gray Jedi term, which refers to users who weren’t aligned with the High Council and could walk the line between dark and light without falling to the dark side.

Like with many other themes, the former Expanded Universe provided depth beyond the movies. Johnson appears to have the daring ambition storytellers have had for decades.

A new story, a new setting and perhaps a new world could be the best thing for everyone. Star Wars fans should give Rian Johnson a chance here.


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S04E23 - A nova trilogia vai funcionar melhor para Ruin Johnson... Só precisamos convencer os fãs a irem assisti-la!


Why a new Star Wars trilogy could work better for Rian Johnson
Rian Johnson has endured a great deal of fan backlash. Much of the complaints relate to his handling of the Star Wars saga’s core elements, such as character Luke Skywalker. Could a fresh trilogy be a bigger hit among fans?

Rian Johnson isn’t a bad storyteller. The Last Jedi was an ambitious story that took Star Wars to aggressive new levels. The problem wasn’t so much in the story, but in how the Jedi and Luke Skywalker were handled.

Johnson himself has confirmed his trilogy of films is still happening. While some of the fandom may take this as unwelcome news, it may be a good thing.

George Lucas faced a lot of criticism with the prequels regarding his handling of Darth Vader. We knew him in the original trilogy as a brutal and uncompromising dark lord.

We then see Darth Vader as an ambitious little kid who grows into a naive and temperamental teenager. While highlighting these stages is necessary in the story of his transformation, it was still unwelcome by many.

The prequel films were also different in their stories.

The Phantom Menace wasn’t a rehash of A New Hope. The parallels also don’t exist for the other two films. They were fresh stories.

The former Expanded Universe is revered among fans because of its ambition. It wasn’t the same old, tired dark side user vs. light side motif. Stories were different than the movies.

The Jedi were not always seen as the good guys.

The Fate of the Jedi novels followed a somewhat similar theme as The Last Jedi. There was widespread distrust of the Jedi and a belief that they were too dangerous. This was due to the fall of Jacen Solo, son of Han and Leia, to the dark side. Similar to Kylo Ren, he sought to enact a dark reign across the galaxy.

The story itself isn’t bad, The Last Jedi just played with our nostalgic hearts by drastically changing Luke Skywalker.

Johnson also took a controversial avenue by casting doubt on the Jedi. Until this point, the movies have portrayed them in a positive light. In the prequels, they were the defenders of the republic. In the original trilogy, Luke was the new hope.

Legends has the Gray Jedi term, which refers to users who weren’t aligned with the High Council and could walk the line between dark and light without falling to the dark side.

Like with many other themes, the former Expanded Universe provided depth beyond the movies. Johnson appears to have the daring ambition storytellers have had for decades.

A new story, a new setting and perhaps a new world could be the best thing for everyone. Star Wars fans should give Rian Johnson a chance here.


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S04E23 - A nova trilogia vai funcionar melhor para Ruin Johnson... Só precisamos convencer os fãs a irem assisti-la!


Why a new Star Wars trilogy could work better for Rian Johnson
Rian Johnson has endured a great deal of fan backlash. Much of the complaints relate to his handling of the Star Wars saga’s core elements, such as character Luke Skywalker. Could a fresh trilogy be a bigger hit among fans?

Rian Johnson isn’t a bad storyteller. The Last Jedi was an ambitious story that took Star Wars to aggressive new levels. The problem wasn’t so much in the story, but in how the Jedi and Luke Skywalker were handled.

Johnson himself has confirmed his trilogy of films is still happening. While some of the fandom may take this as unwelcome news, it may be a good thing.

George Lucas faced a lot of criticism with the prequels regarding his handling of Darth Vader. We knew him in the original trilogy as a brutal and uncompromising dark lord.

We then see Darth Vader as an ambitious little kid who grows into a naive and temperamental teenager. While highlighting these stages is necessary in the story of his transformation, it was still unwelcome by many.

The prequel films were also different in their stories.

The Phantom Menace wasn’t a rehash of A New Hope. The parallels also don’t exist for the other two films. They were fresh stories.

The former Expanded Universe is revered among fans because of its ambition. It wasn’t the same old, tired dark side user vs. light side motif. Stories were different than the movies.

The Jedi were not always seen as the good guys.

The Fate of the Jedi novels followed a somewhat similar theme as The Last Jedi. There was widespread distrust of the Jedi and a belief that they were too dangerous. This was due to the fall of Jacen Solo, son of Han and Leia, to the dark side. Similar to Kylo Ren, he sought to enact a dark reign across the galaxy.

The story itself isn’t bad, The Last Jedi just played with our nostalgic hearts by drastically changing Luke Skywalker.

Johnson also took a controversial avenue by casting doubt on the Jedi. Until this point, the movies have portrayed them in a positive light. In the prequels, they were the defenders of the republic. In the original trilogy, Luke was the new hope.

Legends has the Gray Jedi term, which refers to users who weren’t aligned with the High Council and could walk the line between dark and light without falling to the dark side.

Like with many other themes, the former Expanded Universe provided depth beyond the movies. Johnson appears to have the daring ambition storytellers have had for decades.

A new story, a new setting and perhaps a new world could be the best thing for everyone. Star Wars fans should give Rian Johnson a chance here.


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And this is a good thing...

Sério, parece que a frase está atrelada a Star Wars há um ano inteiro quase. E basta ler a frase, sei que é damage control ou preemptive damage control.

De resto, propaganda paga com o resultado de sempre.
 

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Eu fiquei com vontade de parar aí tbm, mas tinha que ler pra poder concordar ou criticar com o texto, mas não tem nada que se salve.

Geralmente eu nem leio tudo desses damage control, não dá, put* lambeção de saco, parece matéira do video show sobre as novelas da globo, é tudo um sucesso e todo mundo é brilhante.... Fora que geralmente é escrito num tom abobado de "vamos fingir que estamos numa conversa legal na sala da minha casa", profissionalismo pra que né?

E o que sobrou pra SW é isso mesmo, filmes sem ligação com os personagens originais, eles foram estragados, e os novos não conseguem tomar o lugar deles, então só fazendo algo sem ligação nenhuma com os filmes numerados. Se pelo menos não tivessem estragado os personagens originais quem sabe daria pra tentar algo melhor, mas agora, pfff...

Terminei outro livro da NJO, o Destiny's Way, livro com direito a batalha grande no final , a armadilha do Ackabar contra os Yuuzhan Vong que começou a virar o jogo em favor da Nova República, batalha com a maioria dos "major players" da saga envolvidos de alguma maneira, com os novos protagonistas com papel central, mas com os antigos participando sem serem jogados de lado feito lixo... Vergere se sacrifica pra salvar o Jacen, e logo depois do sacrifício aparece como "fantasma da força", ele ainda em batalha pergunta se ela poderia ajudar, ela diz que naquela forma ela não pode interferir com mias nada, ou seja, nada de fantasminha summonando raio pra destruir árvore como num certo filmeco... A ajuda dela foi feita com o sacrifício dela, depois disso ela não tem mais como interferir de forma ativa.
O plano do peixão chuta bundas deu certo, os Yuuzhan Vong levaram uma surra, perderam boa parte da frota, milhares de soldados de elite deles mortos, incluindo o warmaster que era o comandante central da invasão deles a galáxia, que morre em combate contra a Jaina.
No fim a Jaina ainda é promovida de major para tenente-coronel, e aí entra a vantagem de vc não estragar os personagens originais, o Han tinha sido reativado como general, e é ele quem entrega a insígnia nova pra filha.

Jaina left Ebaq 9 eight days after the battle. The interior of the moon was still hot, but she was saved from the radiation by being carried by a loadlifter in a lead-lined container box.
She insisted on being the last one out. She had reunited after the battle with the pilots she'd sent away down the side passage, and they'd spent the week in their oxygen tents.
In the tents there had been nothing to do but talk, play sabacc, and sleep. Occasionally the MD droid changed Lowbacca's bacta patches.

Jaina rebelled at first against this unstructured life-she was used to long days of drill, study, and instruction. She wanted to do something.

But no meaningful work was possible, and eventually the tension began to ebb and she began to relax. She joined the other Jedi in meditation, at first to help Lowie heal, and then because it became her only connection to the universe that lay beyond the tents. Through the Force and the Jedi meld, she bade farewell to her friends as they left Ebaq's system-Kre'fey's fleet had been recalled to the defense of Kashyyyk, and Bel Iblis returned to Fondor. Soon the only friendly force remaining in the system was the Smugglers' Alliance squadron led by her father, the squadron that had lost half its ships turning the enemy squadron from her.
From her. So many had died to keep her safe. Her father's friends, Vale and three other Twin Suns pilots, Vergere... She didn't know how to think about them now.

And so she meditated, and slowly relaxed, and opened herself to the universe. To its glories and pleasures, and its griefs and sorrows as well. Sometimes, when she was laughing with the others, she felt a wave of heartache strike her, and she had to turn away, gulping tears.
There were so many to mourn. A whole war's worth.

The final indignity came when she was carried out in the lead-lined box, like a package to be delivered to her friends. When she emerged, she was in the Millennium Falcon's cargo bay, and the room was filled with applause.

The light dazzled her eyes. She stepped out of the box and wrestled the vac suit helmet off her head. Standing before her were her parents, Jacen, the eight surviving Twin Suns pilots, Kyp Durron, and old friends like Talon Karrde, Booster Terrik, and Lando Calrissian.
They all seemed inexpressibly dear to her. Jaina went along the room and embraced them one by one. As she touched Jacen she felt the twin bond roaring in her head, the memories and comradeship and love all singing in her heart like a chorus of concern.

Her father, himself blinking back tears, reached into a pocket and held out a pair of gleaming insignia. "Admiral Kre'fey's decided to promote you," he said. "Congratulations, Lieutenant Colonel!"
"Thank you." She focused on the insignia Han wore on his civilian vest, and snapped him a salute. "Thank you, General!"
Han returned the salute with a shamefaced grin. Then Jaina turned to her mother, who stood by Han's side with her arms open, and Jaina threw herself at Leia and buried her face in her mother's neck.

This is going to be really bad for discipline, she thought.

Leia stroked her hair. "Will you take a vacation now?" she demanded. Jaina laughed, but the tears burned in her eyes. "You know what?" she mumbled. "Being the Sword of the Jedi really stinks."

A antiga Lucasfilm criava cenas como essa, já a nova Lucasfilm não nos deu nem uma cena com Luke, Leia e Han juntos...

Vão criar uma nova trilogia, aí jogam nas mãos do Rian Johnson, pra ele criar algo cheio de piadas sem graça o tempo todo, planos sem sentido e personagens sem graça agindo de forma idiota enfrentado vilões abobados...
 

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Geralmente eu nem leio tudo desses damage control, não dá, put* lambeção de saco, parece matéira do video show sobre as novelas da globo, é tudo um sucesso e todo mundo é brilhante.... Fora que geralmente é escrito num tom abobado de "vamos fingir que estamos numa conversa legal na sala da minha casa", profissionalismo pra que né?

E o que sobrou pra SW é isso mesmo, filmes sem ligação com os personagens originais, eles foram estragados, e os novos não conseguem tomar o lugar deles, então só fazendo algo sem ligação nenhuma com os filmes numerados. Se pelo menos não tivessem estragado os personagens originais quem sabe daria pra tentar algo melhor, mas agora, pfff...

Terminei outro livro da NJO, o Destiny's Way, livro com direito a batalha grande no final , a armadilha do Ackabar contra os Yuuzhan Vong que começou a virar o jogo em favor da Nova República, batalha com a maioria dos "major players" da saga envolvidos de alguma maneira, com os novos protagonistas com papel central, mas com os antigos participando sem serem jogados de lado feito lixo... Vergere se sacrifica pra salvar o Jacen, e logo depois do sacrifício aparece como "fantasma da força", ele ainda em batalha pergunta se ela poderia ajudar, ela diz que naquela forma ela não pode interferir com mias nada, ou seja, nada de fantasminha summonando raio pra destruir árvore como num certo filmeco... A ajuda dela foi feita com o sacrifício dela, depois disso ela não tem mais como interferir de forma ativa.
O plano do peixão chuta bundas deu certo, os Yuuzhan Vong levaram uma surra, perderam boa parte da frota, milhares de soldados de elite deles mortos, incluindo o warmaster que era o comandante central da invasão deles a galáxia, que morre em combate contra a Jaina.
No fim a Jaina ainda é promovida de major para tenente-coronel, e aí entra a vantagem de vc não estragar os personagens originais, o Han tinha sido reativado como general, e é ele quem entrega a insígnia nova pra filha.



A antiga Lucasfilm criava cenas como essa, já a nova Lucasfilm não nos deu nem uma cena com Luke, Leia e Han juntos...

Vão criar uma nova trilogia, aí jogam nas mãos do Rian Johnson, pra ele criar algo cheio de piadas sem graça o tempo todo, planos sem sentido e personagens sem graça agindo de forma idiota enfrentado vilões abobados...
Cara, tenho muito que ler The New Jedi Order.

O eterno foda é a falta de tempo. De 30 livros por ano até 2014, estou lendo uns 3 ou 4 hoje.
 

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Engraçado é como eles se contradizem.
Jogam os pés nos fãs num momento, noutro dizem querê-los.
Falta de gerenciamento, falta de foco, falta de inteligência...

Mas pelo que leio em outros fóruns, tem lugares que o pessoal está todo do lado da Disney e contra os fãs tóxicos.

Agora depende deles (fãs tóxicos) escolherem se vão dar dinheiro pra Disney ou não. Se derem, a Disney vai continuar entendendo que pode os tratar como cachorros que eles voltam de quatro abanando o rabinho. Se não derem, aí sim, vão começar a falar (como fizeram no Solo) que o filme tinha tudo para agradar os fãs, que os fãs são ingratos... Mas aí rolam as mudanças.
 

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Depois de fazer O Despertar da Força copiado de Uma Nova Esperança, Abrahms aconselhou Rian Johnson copiar O Império Contra Ataca, mas o diretor entendeu o filme errado.

Por isso o desencontro.
 

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Cara, tenho muito que ler The New Jedi Order.

O eterno foda é a falta de tempo. De 30 livros por ano até 2014, estou lendo uns 3 ou 4 hoje.

Tá "fácil" então, são "só" 19 livros hauahuahauah, fora uns sidebooks como The Apprentice e Ylesia que são legais de ler pois expandem as coisas da saga e dos personagens.
Se um dia conseguir tempo pra isso e decidir ler, mas não conhecer muito do antigo UE, seria uma boa dar uma lida pelo menos nos resumos da wookipedia da parte da históira da Jaina e do Jacen que se passa antes da invasão Yuuzhan Vong. Geralmente nos livros quando eles citam algum fato ou personagem relacionado a eles antes da saga eles dão uma rezumida rápida pro leitor não ficar perdido, mas um resumo um pouco maior pode ajudar, principalmnete no caso de Hapes, e tbm pra conhecer um pouco de personagens ligados aos 2 como a Tenel Ka, o Zeek e o Lowbacca. Saber um pouco mais sobre o Kyp Durron tbm pois ele é importante pro desenvolvimento da Jaina. E um pouco sobre Empire of the Hand a a Chiss Ascendancy tbm já que são um pouco ligados a história da saga e tbm ao Jagged que tbm é importante pro desenvolvimento da Jaina. Mas essas coisas são mais pra ficar mias interado mesmo antes de começar, dá pra ler sem realmente depender disso. Ou então o que faço as vezes também, quando aparece um personagem que não sei bem quem é, jogo no google :viraolho

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Depois de fazer O Despertar da Força copiado de Uma Nova Esperança, Abrahms aconselhou Rian Johnson copiar O Império Contra Ataca, mas o diretor entendeu o filme errado.

Por isso o desencontro.
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Tá "fácil" então, são "só" 19 livros hauahuahauah, fora uns sidebooks como The Apprentice e Ylesia que são legais de ler pois expandem as coisas da saga e dos personagens.
Se um dia conseguir tempo pra isso e decidir ler, mas não conhecer muito do antigo UE, seria uma boa dar uma lida pelo menos nos resumos da wookipedia da parte da históira da Jaina e do Jacen que se passa antes da invasão Yuuzhan Vong. Geralmente nos livros quando eles citam algum fato ou personagem relacionado a eles antes da saga eles dão uma rezumida rápida pro leitor não ficar perdido, mas um resumo um pouco maior pode ajudar, principalmnete no caso de Hapes, e tbm pra conhecer um pouco de personagens ligados aos 2 como a Tenel Ka, o Zeek e o Lowbacca. Saber um pouco mais sobre o Kyp Durron tbm pois ele é importante pro desenvolvimento da Jaina. E um pouco sobre Empire of the Hand a a Chiss Ascendancy tbm já que são um pouco ligados a história da saga e tbm ao Jagged que tbm é importante pro desenvolvimento da Jaina. Mas essas coisas são mais pra ficar mias interado mesmo antes de começar, dá pra ler sem realmente depender disso. Ou então o que faço as vezes também, quando aparece um personagem que não sei bem quem é, jogo no google :viraolho


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Cara, 19 livros eram coisas de seis meses pouco tempo atrás.

Fui promovido na empresa em 2015, leio mais literatura técnica do que tudo.

Mas vou tentar ler alguns livros até pra saber como andam as coisas.

Star Wars era um universo que eu gostava muito e todos os livros antigos que li, sempre achei bons, na média eram melhores que os de Star Trek.
 

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Valeu pelos toques.
Cara, 19 livros eram coisas de seis meses pouco tempo atrás.

Fui promovido na empresa em 2015, leio mais literatura técnica do que tudo.

Mas vou tentar ler alguns livros até pra saber como andam as coisas.

Star Wars era um universo que eu gostava muito e todos os livros antigos que li, sempre achei bons, na média eram melhores que os de Star Trek.

Quanto a como andam as coisas no novo UE não tenho como dizer, nãi cheguei a ler, quase comprei uns livros depois do ep 7 mas não rolou, fora que depois sempre que eu lia algum artigo, ou assistia algum video falando de como estava a situação da lore atual, alguns resumos e tal, principalmente do período pós ep, eu tinha menos vontade de ler, tudo parecia mundano e sem sal demais, e pelo que uns contatos me passaram acho que fiz bem em não comprar huahauahuaha. Aí veio o ep 8, já viu né, ler algo pra saber que no final vai dar naquilo e com Luke, Leia e Han estragados, nope...

Se já leu coisas do antigo UE dependendo do que foi já dá pra não ficar perdido na NJO. O que é bom ir sabendo tbm é que essa saga foi criadsa pra dar uma chacoalhada no universo expandido de SW, muda muita coisa, governos caem, vários personagens morrem, império e nova república não estão mais em guerra, etc... foi meio que pra fazer uma limpa tbm.
Outra coisa é que os yuuzhan vong são completamente diferentes dos inimigos anteriores, nada de um lider imperial, nada de um grupo sith/dark jedi. Nem a tecnologia é a mesma deles é a mesma, é tudo orgânico, nada de turbolasers, escudos de energia, torpedos de próton, etc... E é um invasão de dominação e limpeza ideológica, os yuuzhan vong são extremistas quanto a religião deles, a visão deles sobre vida e morte é diferente, e eles nem entendem o conceito de paz, e tem desprezo por qualquer coisa que não venha deles.
E o outro objetivo dessa saga tbm foi o de fazer a nova geração entrar pro "rank" de protagonistas dos livros não infanto-juvenis, principalmente a Jaina e o Jacen, que começam a guerra com 16 anos e terminam com 21. Dá pra ver a evolução deles, eles se tornando adultos por conta da guerra, amadurecendo tanto como jedi quanto como pessoas, perdendo a "aura" inoscente que tinham, tendo que lidar com uma porrada de perdas, aprendendo a como lidar com essas perdas e com o amadurecimento normal, passanto até por relacionamentos entre eles e a família e romances no meio do caminho na guerra (pode ficar tranqulio, nada nível Padmé e Anakin ou Rey e Kylo hauhauahua, no caso da Jaina é tipo Han e Leia no ep 5, então é divertido de ler). Então o que acontece é que no início, Luke, Leia e Han tem um papel mais central, mas conforme a saga avança a Jaina o Jacen e o Anakin vão se aproximando mais do centro das atenções dos livros, mas sem que isso jogue os personagens originais pra escanteio, é mais uma divisão de protagonismo mesmo, com o foco indo mais pros novos mais pra frente, do que uma substituição total.
Eu gostei da forma como lidam com os personagens, os originais são bem tratados pela saga, e tbm passam por um desenvolvimento extra, e é legal ver o amadurecimento dos novos, dá uma complexidade bem maior pra eles. Dos três novos pelo menos pra mim a Jaina foi a que passou por um desenvolvimento mais complexo, então é fácil a melhor personagem da saga, mas isso é opinião pessoal mesmo.
Como já disse uma vez aqui eu já tinha lido essa sagua uns anos atrás, mas com interrupções por causa de trabalho, na época eu já tinha gostando bastante, mas agora estou achando ainda melhor do que antes. Dos 19 livros devem ter uns 3 livros que achei mais abaixo da média, outros vários achei bons e alguns muito bons, na média gostei bastante dessa saga, e essa releitura está me fazendo gostar ainda mais. É uma saga meio polêmica por causa dos yuuzhan vong, muita gente acha a saga dark demais, e os yuuzhan vong muito extremos, mas eu gostei bastante do clima da saga, realmente é mais dark que o padrão, mas SW está lá, no comportamento e relacionamento entre personagens, nas batalhas legais de ler (tem batalha pra c***lho nessa saga), nos momentos mais leves, nos eventos qu mudam a direção da história, etc... e apesar de entender o pq de algumas pessoas reclamarem, eu gostei dos yuuzhan vong como antagonistas, são bem complexos, e a cultura deles é bem explorada durante a saga.
 

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Bob Iger Talks Disney's Streaming Service, 'Roseanne,' James Gunn and a Coming 'Star Wars' "Slowdown"
The Disney CEO and most powerful person in entertainment opens up about his plan for a Netflix rival, ESPN’s politics problem and how #MeToo has changed his company

tching-iger-hr100-01_blue-h_2018.jpg

Walt Disney Co. CEO Bob Iger remains the most powerful person in entertainment, only adding to his empire with $71 billion of 21st Century Fox assets. But his dominance is one of the few things that hasn't changed since THR published 2017's list of Hollywood's most influential figures.

Along with Disney-Fox, 2018 saw AT&T win a judge's blessing to acquire Time Warner, spawning a new entity whose chief, John Stankey, arrives at No. 4. There were the milestones: Filmmakers Ryan Coogler (No. 93) and Jon M. Chu (No. 97) brought inclusive movies to the multiplex, smashing records along the way. And there are the movements: #MeToo and Time's Up drove a reckoning. Out of work, and off the THR 100, are John Lasseter, Roy Price, Brett Ratner and, just this month, Leslie Moonves. His spot has gone to Ronan Farrow, whose reporting took the CBS chief down. White men make up 70 percent of this list — but the sands are shifting, more rapidly than ever, as THR takes stock of Hollywood power now.

If Hollywood has become a kill-or-be-killed battleground, Bob Iger is the lead hunter.

Starting with Pixar in 2006, the Walt Disney Co. CEO has bulked up his company into a $160 billion content behemoth with the tools — Marvel heroes, Star Wars droids and, thanks to June's $71.3 billion acquisition of most of 21st Century Fox, a trove of new networks and IP — to take on much larger digital giants like Amazon, Apple and Facebook. Iger, 68, tops the THR 100 for the third year in a row, with Disney revenue up 7 percent to $15.2 billion and operating income up 5 percent to $4.2 billion in the most recent quarter. But he's not without challenges. A risky streaming service, set to launch in 2019 and aimed directly at Netflix, will cost billions, and the erosion of cable TV subscribers drags on the once-untouchable networks business.

At the same time, the integration of Fox assets (and executives) and the scandals that led to the forced exits of John Lasseter at Disney/Pixar (harassment), John Skipper at ESPN (drugs), Roseanne Barr at ABC and James Gunn at Marvel (both over offensive tweets) raise culture questions. And there's the issue of who will replace Iger when (or if?) he finally retires.

In a talk with THR editorial director Matthew Belloni, Iger discussed his plan for Disney "to not only survive but to thrive in a world that doesn't look anything like the world that existed just a few years ago."


Amid all the industry upheaval, from your seat, what is the content industry going to look like in five years?
You call it upheaval, I guess that's one way to describe it. I believe we have to look at this as opportunity versus threat. Meaning I've tried to manage this company … in a way that enables us to not only survive but to thrive in a world that doesn't look anything like the world that existed just a few years ago.

How, specifically?
There are three ways to do that. The first is make great content. And this is very relevant to the Fox acquisition. The second is to be incredibly innovative about how you bring that content to market. By the way, there isn't a better example than Netflix. The third is to be truly global in nature.

The streaming service advances the second and third goals.
It’s a direct relationship with customers: the ability to provide more customized, personalized experiences; new ways to monetize; a proximity to a customer that doesn’t have intermediaries. You're going to see growth in direct-to-consumer businesses. You're probably going to see less channel watching; we're already seeing that. You're probably going to see less bundling of channels and more selling of specific brands, programs, etc.

How do you see the recent interest in premium content from the digital giants?
I'm impressed with what has been accomplished at Netflix and Amazon. But none of them is either Disney or Marvel. Or Pixar. Or Star Wars or National Geographic or FX or Searchlight or Avatar — I could go on. So we enter the business that they're in, in many respects, with an advantage from a content perspective that will enable us to focus on quality rather than just volume.

AT&T CEO Randall Stephenson recently compared Netflix to Walmart. Do you agree?
Well, I happen to like Walmart; we do a lot of business with them. So maybe I'd say it a different way. They're a volume play with a lot of quality within their volume. And we're going to be a quality play with enough volume and enough scale to provide the consumer with a good price-to-value relationship.

That takes investment. Do you anticipate a Netflix-type increase in spending?
No. First of all, I don't know what Netflix is spending. You may know more than I do. If you really look across all of our businesses and you include ESPN and ABC and ABC News and what we're buying with Fox, we probably spend upwards of what they're spending. It's just that we're distributing differently. So the pivot for us is not necessarily substantially more spending, it's substantially different distribution. But while we're migrating to new distribution models, we have to spend enough [to populate] the new distribution until we can move content on the older ones over.

Ken Ziffren wrote a recent piece for Hollywood Reporter estimating a couple billion dollars of revenue from various windows will go away when you put this content into the new streaming service.
Two things are happening here. We're weaning ourselves off licensing revenue from third parties. That kicks in, really, in 2019, when the movie studio output, which was licensed to Netflix, will cease in terms of new films. At the same time, we are investing more in content to seize these direct-to-consumer businesses before we can move content from the more traditional platforms over. So there's more spend in production and there's less licensing revenue. There will be an impact on our bottom line in fiscal '19 because of what I just described, and it's with the full support of the Disney board because we all believe that the reality of transformation is staring us in the face, and we have to transform with it. In order to transform successfully, it means that you're going to go through a period of time where you've reduced your profitability somewhat. It's the right thing because we're playing the long game and not the short.
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The Fox deal has brought a lot of new people into the company. How much does the question of who will succeed you impact the discussion of how to integrate these people?
Very good question. We’re going to take the best people from both companies and that's who's going to basically be on the playing field for us. Meaning, talent will prevail. Fox Searchlight is a great example. You look at FX, NatGeo. Yeah, you’re buying libraries and brands, but you're also buying the people. I'm not going to talk about specific people right now except to say that I've met with virtually the entire senior management team at Fox and I'm not only fully engaged with them on what the possibilities for them might be but I'm excited about the prospects.

Rupert Murdoch will be one of your biggest shareholders, are you prepared for him wanting to get you on the phone at all hours?
Rupert's been able to get me on the phone whenever he wanted to anyway. (Laughs.) I've had a good relationship with Rupert over the years and it's been one of mutual respect. I'm not in any way talking about politics, but he's impressed me with his guts and his vision. If he's got an idea or two as a shareholder that he wants to give me, that's not necessarily bad news.

He may think ABC News is too liberal.
I'm not worried about that at all. He's smarter than that. Plus he's a competitor in that regard.

You've had shake-ups at the various businesses this past year. How has ESPN changed specifically, if at all?
I have nothing but praise for the job Jimmy Pitaro has done at ESPN. There's been a big debate about whether ESPN should be focused more on what happens on the field of sport than what happens in terms of where sports is societally or politically. And Jimmy felt that the pendulum may have swung a little bit too far away from the field. And I happen to believe he was right. And it's something, by the way, that I think John Skipper had come to recognize as well. But Jimmy coming in fresh has had the ability to address it, I think, far more aggressively and effectively. He has brought back some balance.

How involved do you get in decisions to cancel Roseanne at ABC or fire James Gunn at Marvel?
I would say there is a blend of my helping to make the decision to my supporting the decisions that have been made. Roseanne was completely unanimous. We discussed how it would be communicated and when because there were a number of entities that had to be properly filled in, but the decision was completely unanimous. The James Gunn decision was brought to me as a unanimous decision of a variety of executives at the studio and I supported it.

There was backlash. You still support it?
I haven't second-guessed their decision.

Has the culture at Pixar changed at all in the past eight months since the exit of John Lasseter?
Any time that you change leadership there is an inevitable cultural shift. There was a cultural shift at Disney when I took over for Michel Eisner after 21 years. John Lasseter was in his role for a long time, had an enormous influence on both the culture and the creativity of Pixar, and so of course in John leaving there is inevitable and was an inevitable cultural shift. To get into the details, I'd prefer not to.

What has changed within Disney as a whole as a result of the #MeToo movement?
I don’t want to talk about anybody, specifically, but it's critical for us as leaders in this industry to create safe environments for people who have been victims of abuse to speak up and feel safe about speaking up and for others who have witnessed abuse to do the same. It's critical. As difficult as this time may seem, it's high time that we all woke up to the need to protect the people that work for us and work with us.

How are you doing that?
First of all, you have to address specific issues with people, but beyond that, you have to make sure that you’re applying one standard to the company for all. There aren't two standards based on title, rank, importance, talent, whatever. Second, you've got to communicate very, very effectively to people that if they are a victim, if they have witnessed this, they must come forward because in not doing so they are only perpetuating an unsafe work environment, and that's not good.

How is Marvel going to absorb Fox’s X-Men franchise? Is Kevin Feige going to oversee everything?
I think it only makes sense. I want to be careful here because of what's been communicated to the Fox folks, but I think they know. It only makes sense for Marvel to be supervised by one entity. There shouldn't be two Marvels.

So Deadpool could become an Avenger?
Kevin's got a lot of ideas. I'm not suggesting that's one of them. But who knows?

Many believe Disney should pump the breaks and not put out a Star Wars movie each year.
I made the timing decision, and as I look back, I think the mistake that I made — I take the blame — was a little too much, too fast. You can expect some slowdown, but that doesn't mean we're not going to make films. J.J. [Abrams] is busy making [Episode] IX. We have creative entities, including [Game of Thrones creators David] Benioff and [D.B.] Weiss, who are developing sagas of their own, which we haven't been specific about. And we are just at the point where we're going to start making decisions about what comes next after J.J.'s. But I think we're going to be a little bit more careful about volume and timing. And the buck stops here on that.


Finally, some Disneyland purists are upset that there's going to be booze for sale in Star Wars Land.
We have to be careful we don't let people drink and then go on Autopia. (Laughs.)

Funny. Walt did specifically say no booze at Disneyland.
Yeah, except I think Walt had a nip or two in his apartment at night. (Laughs.) I am a big believer in tradition. This just seemed like one of those traditions that if we changed it the empire wasn't going to crumble.


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Reparem que o poderoso Bob Iger cita nominalmente Jar Jar Abrams, Benioff e Weiss (de Game of Thrones, que estão desenvolvendo sagas para a franquia), mas não fala uma vírgula a respeito de Kathleen Kennedy e Rian Johnson. Porque será? :klol
 

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então deve ficar como episode 9 fan service pra trazer o pessoal de volta , sumir como star wars nos cines e ficar só nas series pra depois voltarem com johson.
movimento maneiro. até lá a raiva do que rian fez ja deve ter passado pra muitos.
e como a disney deve controlar os lançamentos dos pipocoes , então infelizmente pode dar certo.
 

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Bob Iger Talks Disney's Streaming Service, 'Roseanne,' James Gunn and a Coming 'Star Wars' "Slowdown"
The Disney CEO and most powerful person in entertainment opens up about his plan for a Netflix rival, ESPN’s politics problem and how #MeToo has changed his company

tching-iger-hr100-01_blue-h_2018.jpg

Walt Disney Co. CEO Bob Iger remains the most powerful person in entertainment, only adding to his empire with $71 billion of 21st Century Fox assets. But his dominance is one of the few things that hasn't changed since THR published 2017's list of Hollywood's most influential figures.

Along with Disney-Fox, 2018 saw AT&T win a judge's blessing to acquire Time Warner, spawning a new entity whose chief, John Stankey, arrives at No. 4. There were the milestones: Filmmakers Ryan Coogler (No. 93) and Jon M. Chu (No. 97) brought inclusive movies to the multiplex, smashing records along the way. And there are the movements: #MeToo and Time's Up drove a reckoning. Out of work, and off the THR 100, are John Lasseter, Roy Price, Brett Ratner and, just this month, Leslie Moonves. His spot has gone to Ronan Farrow, whose reporting took the CBS chief down. White men make up 70 percent of this list — but the sands are shifting, more rapidly than ever, as THR takes stock of Hollywood power now.

If Hollywood has become a kill-or-be-killed battleground, Bob Iger is the lead hunter.

Starting with Pixar in 2006, the Walt Disney Co. CEO has bulked up his company into a $160 billion content behemoth with the tools — Marvel heroes, Star Wars droids and, thanks to June's $71.3 billion acquisition of most of 21st Century Fox, a trove of new networks and IP — to take on much larger digital giants like Amazon, Apple and Facebook. Iger, 68, tops the THR 100 for the third year in a row, with Disney revenue up 7 percent to $15.2 billion and operating income up 5 percent to $4.2 billion in the most recent quarter. But he's not without challenges. A risky streaming service, set to launch in 2019 and aimed directly at Netflix, will cost billions, and the erosion of cable TV subscribers drags on the once-untouchable networks business.

At the same time, the integration of Fox assets (and executives) and the scandals that led to the forced exits of John Lasseter at Disney/Pixar (harassment), John Skipper at ESPN (drugs), Roseanne Barr at ABC and James Gunn at Marvel (both over offensive tweets) raise culture questions. And there's the issue of who will replace Iger when (or if?) he finally retires.

In a talk with THR editorial director Matthew Belloni, Iger discussed his plan for Disney "to not only survive but to thrive in a world that doesn't look anything like the world that existed just a few years ago."


Amid all the industry upheaval, from your seat, what is the content industry going to look like in five years?
You call it upheaval, I guess that's one way to describe it. I believe we have to look at this as opportunity versus threat. Meaning I've tried to manage this company … in a way that enables us to not only survive but to thrive in a world that doesn't look anything like the world that existed just a few years ago.

How, specifically?
There are three ways to do that. The first is make great content. And this is very relevant to the Fox acquisition. The second is to be incredibly innovative about how you bring that content to market. By the way, there isn't a better example than Netflix. The third is to be truly global in nature.

The streaming service advances the second and third goals.
It’s a direct relationship with customers: the ability to provide more customized, personalized experiences; new ways to monetize; a proximity to a customer that doesn’t have intermediaries. You're going to see growth in direct-to-consumer businesses. You're probably going to see less channel watching; we're already seeing that. You're probably going to see less bundling of channels and more selling of specific brands, programs, etc.

How do you see the recent interest in premium content from the digital giants?
I'm impressed with what has been accomplished at Netflix and Amazon. But none of them is either Disney or Marvel. Or Pixar. Or Star Wars or National Geographic or FX or Searchlight or Avatar — I could go on. So we enter the business that they're in, in many respects, with an advantage from a content perspective that will enable us to focus on quality rather than just volume.

AT&T CEO Randall Stephenson recently compared Netflix to Walmart. Do you agree?
Well, I happen to like Walmart; we do a lot of business with them. So maybe I'd say it a different way. They're a volume play with a lot of quality within their volume. And we're going to be a quality play with enough volume and enough scale to provide the consumer with a good price-to-value relationship.

That takes investment. Do you anticipate a Netflix-type increase in spending?
No. First of all, I don't know what Netflix is spending. You may know more than I do. If you really look across all of our businesses and you include ESPN and ABC and ABC News and what we're buying with Fox, we probably spend upwards of what they're spending. It's just that we're distributing differently. So the pivot for us is not necessarily substantially more spending, it's substantially different distribution. But while we're migrating to new distribution models, we have to spend enough [to populate] the new distribution until we can move content on the older ones over.

Ken Ziffren wrote a recent piece for Hollywood Reporter estimating a couple billion dollars of revenue from various windows will go away when you put this content into the new streaming service.
Two things are happening here. We're weaning ourselves off licensing revenue from third parties. That kicks in, really, in 2019, when the movie studio output, which was licensed to Netflix, will cease in terms of new films. At the same time, we are investing more in content to seize these direct-to-consumer businesses before we can move content from the more traditional platforms over. So there's more spend in production and there's less licensing revenue. There will be an impact on our bottom line in fiscal '19 because of what I just described, and it's with the full support of the Disney board because we all believe that the reality of transformation is staring us in the face, and we have to transform with it. In order to transform successfully, it means that you're going to go through a period of time where you've reduced your profitability somewhat. It's the right thing because we're playing the long game and not the short.
The Fox deal has brought a lot of new people into the company. How much does the question of who will succeed you impact the discussion of how to integrate these people?
Very good question. We’re going to take the best people from both companies and that's who's going to basically be on the playing field for us. Meaning, talent will prevail. Fox Searchlight is a great example. You look at FX, NatGeo. Yeah, you’re buying libraries and brands, but you're also buying the people. I'm not going to talk about specific people right now except to say that I've met with virtually the entire senior management team at Fox and I'm not only fully engaged with them on what the possibilities for them might be but I'm excited about the prospects.

Rupert Murdoch will be one of your biggest shareholders, are you prepared for him wanting to get you on the phone at all hours?
Rupert's been able to get me on the phone whenever he wanted to anyway. (Laughs.) I've had a good relationship with Rupert over the years and it's been one of mutual respect. I'm not in any way talking about politics, but he's impressed me with his guts and his vision. If he's got an idea or two as a shareholder that he wants to give me, that's not necessarily bad news.

He may think ABC News is too liberal.
I'm not worried about that at all. He's smarter than that. Plus he's a competitor in that regard.

You've had shake-ups at the various businesses this past year. How has ESPN changed specifically, if at all?
I have nothing but praise for the job Jimmy Pitaro has done at ESPN. There's been a big debate about whether ESPN should be focused more on what happens on the field of sport than what happens in terms of where sports is societally or politically. And Jimmy felt that the pendulum may have swung a little bit too far away from the field. And I happen to believe he was right. And it's something, by the way, that I think John Skipper had come to recognize as well. But Jimmy coming in fresh has had the ability to address it, I think, far more aggressively and effectively. He has brought back some balance.

How involved do you get in decisions to cancel Roseanne at ABC or fire James Gunn at Marvel?
I would say there is a blend of my helping to make the decision to my supporting the decisions that have been made. Roseanne was completely unanimous. We discussed how it would be communicated and when because there were a number of entities that had to be properly filled in, but the decision was completely unanimous. The James Gunn decision was brought to me as a unanimous decision of a variety of executives at the studio and I supported it.

There was backlash. You still support it?
I haven't second-guessed their decision.

Has the culture at Pixar changed at all in the past eight months since the exit of John Lasseter?
Any time that you change leadership there is an inevitable cultural shift. There was a cultural shift at Disney when I took over for Michel Eisner after 21 years. John Lasseter was in his role for a long time, had an enormous influence on both the culture and the creativity of Pixar, and so of course in John leaving there is inevitable and was an inevitable cultural shift. To get into the details, I'd prefer not to.

What has changed within Disney as a whole as a result of the #MeToo movement?
I don’t want to talk about anybody, specifically, but it's critical for us as leaders in this industry to create safe environments for people who have been victims of abuse to speak up and feel safe about speaking up and for others who have witnessed abuse to do the same. It's critical. As difficult as this time may seem, it's high time that we all woke up to the need to protect the people that work for us and work with us.

How are you doing that?
First of all, you have to address specific issues with people, but beyond that, you have to make sure that you’re applying one standard to the company for all. There aren't two standards based on title, rank, importance, talent, whatever. Second, you've got to communicate very, very effectively to people that if they are a victim, if they have witnessed this, they must come forward because in not doing so they are only perpetuating an unsafe work environment, and that's not good.

How is Marvel going to absorb Fox’s X-Men franchise? Is Kevin Feige going to oversee everything?
I think it only makes sense. I want to be careful here because of what's been communicated to the Fox folks, but I think they know. It only makes sense for Marvel to be supervised by one entity. There shouldn't be two Marvels.

So Deadpool could become an Avenger?
Kevin's got a lot of ideas. I'm not suggesting that's one of them. But who knows?

Many believe Disney should pump the breaks and not put out a Star Wars movie each year.
I made the timing decision, and as I look back, I think the mistake that I made — I take the blame — was a little too much, too fast. You can expect some slowdown, but that doesn't mean we're not going to make films. J.J. [Abrams] is busy making [Episode] IX. We have creative entities, including [Game of Thrones creators David] Benioff and [D.B.] Weiss, who are developing sagas of their own, which we haven't been specific about. And we are just at the point where we're going to start making decisions about what comes next after J.J.'s. But I think we're going to be a little bit more careful about volume and timing. And the buck stops here on that.


Finally, some Disneyland purists are upset that there's going to be booze for sale in Star Wars Land.
We have to be careful we don't let people drink and then go on Autopia. (Laughs.)

Funny. Walt did specifically say no booze at Disneyland.
Yeah, except I think Walt had a nip or two in his apartment at night. (Laughs.) I am a big believer in tradition. This just seemed like one of those traditions that if we changed it the empire wasn't going to crumble.


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Reparem que o poderoso Bob Iger cita nominalmente Jar Jar Abrams, Benioff e Weiss (de Game of Thrones, que estão desenvolvendo sagas para a franquia), mas não fala uma vírgula a respeito de Kathleen Kennedy e Rian Johnson. Porque será? :klol

Menos mal, pelo menos o pós JJ tem alguma salvação.

JJ vai ser o sacrificio, igual foi o Whedon pra DC.
 

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Aquele momento constrangedor no qual a Disney finalmente admite que cagou no pau! :kkk


Bob Iger Talks Disney's Streaming Service, 'Roseanne,' James Gunn and a Coming 'Star Wars' "Slowdown"
The Disney CEO and most powerful person in entertainment opens up about his plan for a Netflix rival, ESPN’s politics problem and how #MeToo has changed his company

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Walt Disney Co. CEO Bob Iger remains the most powerful person in entertainment, only adding to his empire with $71 billion of 21st Century Fox assets. But his dominance is one of the few things that hasn't changed since THR published 2017's list of Hollywood's most influential figures.

Along with Disney-Fox, 2018 saw AT&T win a judge's blessing to acquire Time Warner, spawning a new entity whose chief, John Stankey, arrives at No. 4. There were the milestones: Filmmakers Ryan Coogler (No. 93) and Jon M. Chu (No. 97) brought inclusive movies to the multiplex, smashing records along the way. And there are the movements: #MeToo and Time's Up drove a reckoning. Out of work, and off the THR 100, are John Lasseter, Roy Price, Brett Ratner and, just this month, Leslie Moonves. His spot has gone to Ronan Farrow, whose reporting took the CBS chief down. White men make up 70 percent of this list — but the sands are shifting, more rapidly than ever, as THR takes stock of Hollywood power now.

If Hollywood has become a kill-or-be-killed battleground, Bob Iger is the lead hunter.

Starting with Pixar in 2006, the Walt Disney Co. CEO has bulked up his company into a $160 billion content behemoth with the tools — Marvel heroes, Star Wars droids and, thanks to June's $71.3 billion acquisition of most of 21st Century Fox, a trove of new networks and IP — to take on much larger digital giants like Amazon, Apple and Facebook. Iger, 68, tops the THR 100 for the third year in a row, with Disney revenue up 7 percent to $15.2 billion and operating income up 5 percent to $4.2 billion in the most recent quarter. But he's not without challenges. A risky streaming service, set to launch in 2019 and aimed directly at Netflix, will cost billions, and the erosion of cable TV subscribers drags on the once-untouchable networks business.

At the same time, the integration of Fox assets (and executives) and the scandals that led to the forced exits of John Lasseter at Disney/Pixar (harassment), John Skipper at ESPN (drugs), Roseanne Barr at ABC and James Gunn at Marvel (both over offensive tweets) raise culture questions. And there's the issue of who will replace Iger when (or if?) he finally retires.

In a talk with THR editorial director Matthew Belloni, Iger discussed his plan for Disney "to not only survive but to thrive in a world that doesn't look anything like the world that existed just a few years ago."


Amid all the industry upheaval, from your seat, what is the content industry going to look like in five years?
You call it upheaval, I guess that's one way to describe it. I believe we have to look at this as opportunity versus threat. Meaning I've tried to manage this company … in a way that enables us to not only survive but to thrive in a world that doesn't look anything like the world that existed just a few years ago.

How, specifically?
There are three ways to do that. The first is make great content. And this is very relevant to the Fox acquisition. The second is to be incredibly innovative about how you bring that content to market. By the way, there isn't a better example than Netflix. The third is to be truly global in nature.

The streaming service advances the second and third goals.
It’s a direct relationship with customers: the ability to provide more customized, personalized experiences; new ways to monetize; a proximity to a customer that doesn’t have intermediaries. You're going to see growth in direct-to-consumer businesses. You're probably going to see less channel watching; we're already seeing that. You're probably going to see less bundling of channels and more selling of specific brands, programs, etc.

How do you see the recent interest in premium content from the digital giants?
I'm impressed with what has been accomplished at Netflix and Amazon. But none of them is either Disney or Marvel. Or Pixar. Or Star Wars or National Geographic or FX or Searchlight or Avatar — I could go on. So we enter the business that they're in, in many respects, with an advantage from a content perspective that will enable us to focus on quality rather than just volume.

AT&T CEO Randall Stephenson recently compared Netflix to Walmart. Do you agree?
Well, I happen to like Walmart; we do a lot of business with them. So maybe I'd say it a different way. They're a volume play with a lot of quality within their volume. And we're going to be a quality play with enough volume and enough scale to provide the consumer with a good price-to-value relationship.

That takes investment. Do you anticipate a Netflix-type increase in spending?
No. First of all, I don't know what Netflix is spending. You may know more than I do. If you really look across all of our businesses and you include ESPN and ABC and ABC News and what we're buying with Fox, we probably spend upwards of what they're spending. It's just that we're distributing differently. So the pivot for us is not necessarily substantially more spending, it's substantially different distribution. But while we're migrating to new distribution models, we have to spend enough [to populate] the new distribution until we can move content on the older ones over.

Ken Ziffren wrote a recent piece for Hollywood Reporter estimating a couple billion dollars of revenue from various windows will go away when you put this content into the new streaming service.
Two things are happening here. We're weaning ourselves off licensing revenue from third parties. That kicks in, really, in 2019, when the movie studio output, which was licensed to Netflix, will cease in terms of new films. At the same time, we are investing more in content to seize these direct-to-consumer businesses before we can move content from the more traditional platforms over. So there's more spend in production and there's less licensing revenue. There will be an impact on our bottom line in fiscal '19 because of what I just described, and it's with the full support of the Disney board because we all believe that the reality of transformation is staring us in the face, and we have to transform with it. In order to transform successfully, it means that you're going to go through a period of time where you've reduced your profitability somewhat. It's the right thing because we're playing the long game and not the short.
The Fox deal has brought a lot of new people into the company. How much does the question of who will succeed you impact the discussion of how to integrate these people?
Very good question. We’re going to take the best people from both companies and that's who's going to basically be on the playing field for us. Meaning, talent will prevail. Fox Searchlight is a great example. You look at FX, NatGeo. Yeah, you’re buying libraries and brands, but you're also buying the people. I'm not going to talk about specific people right now except to say that I've met with virtually the entire senior management team at Fox and I'm not only fully engaged with them on what the possibilities for them might be but I'm excited about the prospects.

Rupert Murdoch will be one of your biggest shareholders, are you prepared for him wanting to get you on the phone at all hours?
Rupert's been able to get me on the phone whenever he wanted to anyway. (Laughs.) I've had a good relationship with Rupert over the years and it's been one of mutual respect. I'm not in any way talking about politics, but he's impressed me with his guts and his vision. If he's got an idea or two as a shareholder that he wants to give me, that's not necessarily bad news.

He may think ABC News is too liberal.
I'm not worried about that at all. He's smarter than that. Plus he's a competitor in that regard.

You've had shake-ups at the various businesses this past year. How has ESPN changed specifically, if at all?
I have nothing but praise for the job Jimmy Pitaro has done at ESPN. There's been a big debate about whether ESPN should be focused more on what happens on the field of sport than what happens in terms of where sports is societally or politically. And Jimmy felt that the pendulum may have swung a little bit too far away from the field. And I happen to believe he was right. And it's something, by the way, that I think John Skipper had come to recognize as well. But Jimmy coming in fresh has had the ability to address it, I think, far more aggressively and effectively. He has brought back some balance.

How involved do you get in decisions to cancel Roseanne at ABC or fire James Gunn at Marvel?
I would say there is a blend of my helping to make the decision to my supporting the decisions that have been made. Roseanne was completely unanimous. We discussed how it would be communicated and when because there were a number of entities that had to be properly filled in, but the decision was completely unanimous. The James Gunn decision was brought to me as a unanimous decision of a variety of executives at the studio and I supported it.

There was backlash. You still support it?
I haven't second-guessed their decision.

Has the culture at Pixar changed at all in the past eight months since the exit of John Lasseter?
Any time that you change leadership there is an inevitable cultural shift. There was a cultural shift at Disney when I took over for Michel Eisner after 21 years. John Lasseter was in his role for a long time, had an enormous influence on both the culture and the creativity of Pixar, and so of course in John leaving there is inevitable and was an inevitable cultural shift. To get into the details, I'd prefer not to.

What has changed within Disney as a whole as a result of the #MeToo movement?
I don’t want to talk about anybody, specifically, but it's critical for us as leaders in this industry to create safe environments for people who have been victims of abuse to speak up and feel safe about speaking up and for others who have witnessed abuse to do the same. It's critical. As difficult as this time may seem, it's high time that we all woke up to the need to protect the people that work for us and work with us.

How are you doing that?
First of all, you have to address specific issues with people, but beyond that, you have to make sure that you’re applying one standard to the company for all. There aren't two standards based on title, rank, importance, talent, whatever. Second, you've got to communicate very, very effectively to people that if they are a victim, if they have witnessed this, they must come forward because in not doing so they are only perpetuating an unsafe work environment, and that's not good.

How is Marvel going to absorb Fox’s X-Men franchise? Is Kevin Feige going to oversee everything?
I think it only makes sense. I want to be careful here because of what's been communicated to the Fox folks, but I think they know. It only makes sense for Marvel to be supervised by one entity. There shouldn't be two Marvels.

So Deadpool could become an Avenger?
Kevin's got a lot of ideas. I'm not suggesting that's one of them. But who knows?

Many believe Disney should pump the breaks and not put out a Star Wars movie each year.
I made the timing decision, and as I look back, I think the mistake that I made — I take the blame — was a little too much, too fast. You can expect some slowdown, but that doesn't mean we're not going to make films. J.J. [Abrams] is busy making [Episode] IX. We have creative entities, including [Game of Thrones creators David] Benioff and [D.B.] Weiss, who are developing sagas of their own, which we haven't been specific about. And we are just at the point where we're going to start making decisions about what comes next after J.J.'s. But I think we're going to be a little bit more careful about volume and timing. And the buck stops here on that.


Finally, some Disneyland purists are upset that there's going to be booze for sale in Star Wars Land.
We have to be careful we don't let people drink and then go on Autopia. (Laughs.)

Funny. Walt did specifically say no booze at Disneyland.
Yeah, except I think Walt had a nip or two in his apartment at night. (Laughs.) I am a big believer in tradition. This just seemed like one of those traditions that if we changed it the empire wasn't going to crumble.


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Reparem que o poderoso Bob Iger cita nominalmente Jar Jar Abrams, Benioff e Weiss (de Game of Thrones, que estão desenvolvendo sagas para a franquia), mas não fala uma vírgula a respeito de Kathleen Kennedy e Rian Johnson. Porque será? :klol

O cara é um executivo, eles quer é saber de números, aí ele olha e vê que os números não estão tão bons quanto poderiam, deve estar puto huahauahauhua



Agora vcs querem rir? Vejam a descrição do planeta da Holdo na Wookiepedia:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gatalenta

Love and compassion were taught and practiced fondly by the people of Gatalenta, and crying openly was considered a virtue and proof of a caring heart
:kkk:kkk:kkk:kkk:kkk:kkk:kkk:kkk:kkk:kkk:kkk:kkk:kkk:kkk:kkk:kkk:kkk:kkk

The Gatalentan people were also known for living austerely
Eles são austeros, mas chorar em público é fofo? wtf. Não seguir as normas militares e utilizar um vestido de baile durante combate tbm é ser austero?

They were ruled by the Council of Mothers. Slavery was illegal on the planet, and slaves were not allowed to be brought to the planet. If a slave was brought there, and their master was caught, the slave was set free.
Dirigidos por um conselho de mães... são basicamente uma versão frouxa dos Hapans (um povo do antigo universo expandido) são os Hapans frescos, bonzinhos e sem serem piratas metidos em tramas políticas...
Ah sim, e são tão bonzinhos, olha gente eles são tão contra a escravidão que prendem escravagistas... porra, leis anti-escravidão já existiam na época da república o Anakin só era um escravo pq estava em espaço controlado pelos Hutts, put* forçada de barra pra fazer o planeta ser bonzinho... Alderaan era o planeta "bonzinho" mas Alderaan pelo menos não era algo forçado.

In the years before the Galactic Civil War, Gatalenta had a strong Jedi tradition, and the old Jedi legends remained alive on Gatalenta in spite of the Jedi Purge. In fact, Gatalenta became one of Jedi Knight Luke Skywalker's first destinations when he began studying the history of the Jedi Order.[1]
Uau, que planeta perfeito....

O planeta é tão ridiculamente forçado que até o texto da Wookiepedia que apesar de não ser profissional geralmente não é ruim, fica ruim pra descrever o planeta.
:kkk:kkk:kkk:kkk:kkk
 

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Que porra de planeta é esse?

Verem ficção científica anos 30, planeta de mães e o escambau, mas levado pra um lado beeeeeem tosco.
 

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rapaz como é que sai damage control até hoje? pqp
Cometeram um erro de centenas de milhões de dólares, talvez mais... Os responsáveis por esse erro podem perder o emprego ( tbm milionário) se ficar provado isso.

Aí, ou vc explica que seu erro não foi um erro - botar a culpa em hackers russos nazistas pareceu uma boa ideia - ou perde esse emprego.

E não importa a realidade, importante é haver quem defenda a versão acima de tudo.
 

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Que porra de planeta é esse?

Verem ficção científica anos 30, planeta de mães e o escambau, mas levado pra um lado beeeeeem tosco.

Acabei pulando isso nos quotes
Natives of Gatalenta were renowned for their calmness and serenity, and rose each day to thank the planet's multiple suns for rising.
parece que eles tbm aplaudem o sol :kkk:kkk:kkk:kkk:kkk
O planeta é famoso pelo chá... mas acho que deve ser mais famoso é pelo toddynho:viraolho

Esse negócio do "conselho de mães" realmente lembra um pouco o Consórcio de Hapes que era governado por um matriarcado, mas Hapes era cheio de intriguas políticas, a nobreza se matando pra poder assumir o poder, disputas aristocráticas, os homens duelando o tempo todo pq todo mundo era maluco naquela porra, tradições piratas, etc... Era um governo de certa importância na história pós ep 6 do antigo UE, ajudou a derrotar um warlord imperial, ajudou contra os Yuuzhan Vong e contra o Darth Caedus. A cora foi oferecida pra Leia pela rainha mãe da época, a Leia se casaria com o príncipe, mas a Leia recusou, o negócio dela era o Han, quem acabou se casando com o príncipe foi a Teneniel Djo, uma bruxa de Dathomir (planeta da Assaj Ventress de Clone Wars), a filha deles, Tenel Ka é treinada para ser jedi no templo do Luke e vira amiga pessoal da Jaina e do Jacen, no caso do Jacen até mais do que amiga. A coroa de Hapes chega ate´a ser oferecida pra Jaina uma vez, mas ela recusa, e a Tenel Ka assume. Mais pra frente a Tenel Ka e o Jacen tem uma filha.
 

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parece que eles tbm aplaudem o sol :kkk:kkk:kkk:kkk:kkk
O planeta é famoso pelo chá... mas acho que deve ser mais famoso é pelo toddynho:viraolho

Esse negócio do "conselho de mães" realmente lembra um pouco o Consórcio de Hapes que era governado por um matriarcado, mas Hapes era cheio de intriguas políticas, a nobreza se matando pra poder assumir o poder, disputas aristocráticas, os homens duelando o tempo todo pq todo mundo era maluco naquela porra, tradições piratas, etc... Era um governo de certa importância na história pós ep 6 do antigo UE, ajudou a derrotar um warlord imperial, ajudou contra os Yuuzhan Vong e contra o Darth Caedus. A cora foi oferecida pra Leia pela rainha mãe da época, a Leia se casaria com o príncipe, mas a Leia recusou, o negócio dela era o Han, quem acabou se casando com o príncipe foi a Teneniel Djo, uma bruxa de Dathomir (planeta da Assaj Ventress de Clone Wars), a filha deles, Tenel Ka é treinada para ser jedi no templo do Luke e vira amiga pessoal da Jaina e do Jacen, no caso do Jacen até mais do que amiga. A coroa de Hapes chega ate´a ser oferecida pra Jaina uma vez, mas ela recusa, e a Tenel Ka assume. Mais pra frente a Tenel Ka e o Jacen tem uma filha.
Vamos fazer um acordo.

Eu já odeio a Disney, a Lucasfilm e a Kathleen Kennerdy.

Para de postar resumos do UE para que eu possa odiar menos, senão acabo indo parar no lado negro.
 

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Solo é bem Temperatura Maxima.

O quem mais tive apatia, foi Rogue One, vindo dessas novas safras.
 

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Vamos fazer um acordo.

Eu já odeio a Disney, a Lucasfilm e a Kathleen Kennerdy.

Para de postar resumos do UE para que eu possa odiar menos, senão acabo indo parar no lado negro.

Mas o lado negro sempre foi muuuuuiiiiiitttttooooo mais legal.... tem cookies lá.....
 

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Thanks To Disney, Star Wars Is Dead
The old Star Wars that we know and love is gone, and it may never come back.

Let me start by saying this: the first time I watched the trailer for The Force Awakens, silent tears slid down my cheeks as my entire childhood came crashing back to me all at once. I remember renting A New Hope from Blockbuster and watching it 6-7 times in a weekend just to do it all over again the next Friday.

I immersed myself in the universe far, far away as much as I possibly could. I read books, played video games (Knights of the Old Republic is still one of the best RPGs to date) and listened to the music on repeat.

The biggest draw of Star Wars, and the intangible quality that makes it the global phenomenon it is, was the originality taken to a maximum.

When a vision that no one had seen before was tied delicately with a story that could keep us grounded even when experiencing an entirely different universe, it was magic. It took the world by storm.

That was the Star Wars many of us fell in love with, and unfortunately, that Star Wars is dead.

When Disney purchased Star Wars for $4 billion, I didn't know how to feel. I was excited to finally revisit the galaxy far, far away once again, but a dark thought was being kept at the back of my mind.

'Disney needs to make that money back' was the only thought that was holding me back from being absolutely ecstatic about the news.

With numbers like negative $4 billion tied to the release of first Star Wars film in over ten years, I knew Disney was going to play it safe with storyline and direction, which they did. The Force Awakens is a derivative form of its successful predecessors, albeit an enjoyable one.

The first bit of Star Wars news that came out of the deal that truly had me excited (beyond what a 22-year-old man should've been for a movie series) was that they were making stand-alone films. I thought for sure some sort of original thought and groundbreaking ideas would come from a move like this. Break the mold of the genre to make something that feels fresh and enveloping like the original trilogy did the first time I watched it.

Alas, I could not be happy for long because these projects were riddled with the firing of directors for reasons that only have rumors attached to them. Yet they all point to the common thought; they took too much artistic liberty with Disney's cash cow. It's for this reason that I haven't gotten the goosebumps while watching any new Star Wars film since.

Nothing has truly taken me back to those worlds that I saw in the original trilogy.

Even with video game development, there was such fantastic potential to tell amazing stories with the technology available today. Knights of the Old Republic broke records, but Disney saw where they could make money, and instead of letting smaller companies make thrilling and immersive games, we got Battlefront 1 and 2 full of season passes and loot crates available for purchase because it was the safe option.

Star Wars is dead.

But to quote Miracle Max, it's only 'mostly dead.' If Disney wants its fans to truly get excited and revitalize the series, they need to take a page out of Marvel and 20th Century Fox's comic book. Superhero movies were getting worn out, we all knew the character arch and storyline of the movie before walking into the theater. So what did Marvel and 20th Century Fox do? They gave away artistic control, in controlled doses, and made features that broke the mold. Deadpool, Logan, Black Panther, Thor and Netflix series: Ragnarok were the products, and not only were these movies and shows refreshing and exciting, they made more money than their cookie-cutter counterparts.

This is what Star Wars needs — fresh, creative control of smaller projects that will blow fans minds like its 1977 all over again.


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É que eu sou eleitor do Bolsonaro, jamais iria para o lado negro!

*Moderação: É uma piada, não estou trazendo a discussão pra cá.
Segundo alguns por você ser eleitor do Bolsonaro é sinal que já esta no lado negro.
 

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Vamos fazer um acordo.

Eu já odeio a Disney, a Lucasfilm e a Kathleen Kennerdy.

Para de postar resumos do UE para que eu possa odiar menos, senão acabo indo parar no lado negro.

Te fazer odiar menos não contando coisas como:

Wedge Antilles sendo um personagem foda nos livros, virando líder do Rogue-squadron e caçando warlords imperias, e sempre dando ajuda na hora certa pros personagens centrais? Ou de quando ele, já lá pelos 50 anos pegou uma X-wing e solou um esquadrão de caças yuuzhan vong, ou que num dos planos dele num dos livros foi mostrado de dentro do planeta um bombardeio orbital feito por um dreadnaught classe executor e 2 destroiers imperiais? Ou de quando uma das filhas deles pilotou com ele no mesmo esquadrão?
Tem tbm o Pellaeon, o segundo em comando do Thrawn, e que era um oficial imperial muito competente, se torna o novo lider do império, e que chega até a trabalhar junto com Luke, Leia e Han mais de uma vez. E que é um dos responsáveis pela aliança entre o império e a nova república pra formação da Galactic Alliance.
Ou que o Luke se torna grão-mestre da ordem jedi, e vira o jedi mais poderoso da história de SW (coisa confirmada pelo próprio George Lucas), e que o filho dele com a Mara vai com ele durante um período de exílio nas regiões não exploradas da galáxia, onde os dois se aliam a uma tribo sith pra combater uma entidade maligna da força, e que o filho dele tem uma quedinha por uma garota sith.
Que os livros tem as maiores batalhas da história de SW, várias batalhas bem detalhadas e tensas, vistas muitas vezes de dentro do cockpit dos caças e naves dos protagonistas.
Que Jaina, Jacen e Anakin, filhos do Han e da Leia se tornam exemplos pra nova ordem jedi. Que o Han reconhece quando é a filha pilotando uma nave pelo fato da nave estar conseguindo fazer manobras que só ele e a filha conseguiriam realizar, e que o Han é um cara muito próximo da família, sendo até o herói de infância da filha.
Também que os relacionamentos entre Han e Leia e o entre Luke e Mara é tratado de uma forma mais natural e sem draminhas nivel trilogias prequel e sequel, e que o relacionamento entre a Jaia e o Jagged Fel não é algo forçado e nem com draminhas exagerados pra nível crepúsculo. Além disso as relações familíares da família Solo-Skywalker tbm são retratadas de uma forma natural, com momentos mais leves ou mais pesados dependendo do momento da história.
Que a própria Força através do Luke nomeia a Jaina como "the sword of the jedi" e que as vezes ela é meio que uma Obi-Wan da nova geração.
Que a Mara Jade se torna mestra da Jaina e do Anakin, e o Luke o mestre do Jacen, e que o Jacen se torna o segundo jedi mais poderoso da NJO, ficando atrás só do Luke, e que a queda do Jacen pro lado negro faz mais sentido do que a do Anakin Skywalker e a do Kylo Ren
Ou também que o Jacen se torna lider de um governo que inicia uma segunda guerra civil galática, que termina com o que é provavelmente o momento mais dramático da família Skywalker, o confronto dele contra a Jaina. E que o Jacen tem uma filha que acaba sendo adotada pelo Han e pela Leia.
Ah sim, e se eu te disser que uns 45 anos depois da batalha de Endor o império volta a ser uma dinastia, tendo um novo imperador, mas que dessa vez não é um imperador force user, e que esse império, a dinastia Fel, é quase certo de ter sangue Skywalker pelo fato do Jagged Fel, primeiro imperador dessa dinastia, ser casado com a Jaina ( os dois se casaram num dos livros em que ele já era lider do império mas não imperador, por falta de tempo para mais livros serem lançados por causa da compra pela Disney não chegou a ser confirmado que a Jaina era mãe do filho dele, que foi o segundo imperador da dinastia, mas pela família imperial ter force users era aceito pelos fãs que a Jaina era realmente a mãe), e que essa dinastia tinha os imperial knights, que era uma ordem jedi própria da dinastia Fel, que tinha uniformes padronizados legais, e sabres de luz iguais com "lâmina" prateada para demonstrar a unidade da ordem.

Pois é, e isso que resumi muito e que só toquei no pós ep 6, será que isso te faz gostar ainda menos do novo canon?:ksafado


Thanks To Disney, Star Wars Is Dead
The old Star Wars that we know and love is gone, and it may never come back.

Let me start by saying this: the first time I watched the trailer for The Force Awakens, silent tears slid down my cheeks as my entire childhood came crashing back to me all at once. I remember renting A New Hope from Blockbuster and watching it 6-7 times in a weekend just to do it all over again the next Friday.

I immersed myself in the universe far, far away as much as I possibly could. I read books, played video games (Knights of the Old Republic is still one of the best RPGs to date) and listened to the music on repeat.

The biggest draw of Star Wars, and the intangible quality that makes it the global phenomenon it is, was the originality taken to a maximum.

When a vision that no one had seen before was tied delicately with a story that could keep us grounded even when experiencing an entirely different universe, it was magic. It took the world by storm.

That was the Star Wars many of us fell in love with, and unfortunately, that Star Wars is dead.

When Disney purchased Star Wars for $4 billion, I didn't know how to feel. I was excited to finally revisit the galaxy far, far away once again, but a dark thought was being kept at the back of my mind.

'Disney needs to make that money back' was the only thought that was holding me back from being absolutely ecstatic about the news.

With numbers like negative $4 billion tied to the release of first Star Wars film in over ten years, I knew Disney was going to play it safe with storyline and direction, which they did. The Force Awakens is a derivative form of its successful predecessors, albeit an enjoyable one.

The first bit of Star Wars news that came out of the deal that truly had me excited (beyond what a 22-year-old man should've been for a movie series) was that they were making stand-alone films. I thought for sure some sort of original thought and groundbreaking ideas would come from a move like this. Break the mold of the genre to make something that feels fresh and enveloping like the original trilogy did the first time I watched it.

Alas, I could not be happy for long because these projects were riddled with the firing of directors for reasons that only have rumors attached to them. Yet they all point to the common thought; they took too much artistic liberty with Disney's cash cow. It's for this reason that I haven't gotten the goosebumps while watching any new Star Wars film since.

Nothing has truly taken me back to those worlds that I saw in the original trilogy.

Even with video game development, there was such fantastic potential to tell amazing stories with the technology available today. Knights of the Old Republic broke records, but Disney saw where they could make money, and instead of letting smaller companies make thrilling and immersive games, we got Battlefront 1 and 2 full of season passes and loot crates available for purchase because it was the safe option.

Star Wars is dead.

But to quote Miracle Max, it's only 'mostly dead.' If Disney wants its fans to truly get excited and revitalize the series, they need to take a page out of Marvel and 20th Century Fox's comic book. Superhero movies were getting worn out, we all knew the character arch and storyline of the movie before walking into the theater. So what did Marvel and 20th Century Fox do? They gave away artistic control, in controlled doses, and made features that broke the mold. Deadpool, Logan, Black Panther, Thor and Netflix series: Ragnarok were the products, and not only were these movies and shows refreshing and exciting, they made more money than their cookie-cutter counterparts.

This is what Star Wars needs — fresh, creative control of smaller projects that will blow fans minds like its 1977 all over again.


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Com esse story group ruim não vai rolar nenhuma criatividade decente, é tudo sem graça, sem sal e realmente, na parte dos filmes, é tudo fan service mal feito cheio de momentos copiados de forma barata. E como o texto diz, a tal promessa de "filmes diferentes" pros filmes fora da saga numerada nunca se afastou de coisas baseadas diretamente na trilogia numerada, puro fan service sem muita criatividade.




E falando em coisas baseadas na trilogia numerada, outro projeto de fãs bem feito:


E nesse caso é uma "cópia" direta em forma de homenagem, e não uma cópia sem vergonha feita pra gerar dinheiro em cima de nostalgia.
 

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Segundo alguns por você ser eleitor do Bolsonaro é sinal que já esta no lado negro.
:kkk

Verdade.

Mas vamos deixar esse pensamento pra outros tópicos, senão nós dois acabamos não no lado negro, mas no quarto negro dos travados.

:-)

Já a postagem do Bloodstained me fez lembrar, por um instante, do trailer de O Despertar da Força. A Disney queria tanto guardar segredo que fizeram um trailer com narração de Luke, que pensávamos ser algo novo, mas não era. No trailer, Luke falava da Força, como era forte com o pai dele, com ele e com a irmã... Eu fiquei pensando muito que seria ele falando para Rey (imaginando ela sendo filha dele)... Uma pena, uma pena enorme, não terem ido por esse lado, o Iron Sword cansou de mostrar como as coisas foram bem escritas no Universo Extendido (atual Legends) e ver filho(a)s de Luke, Han e Leia teria sido muito mais legal.


O clima de decadência que a série tomou - Luke gagá sem filhos, Léia um dinossauro da política, Han um velho trambiqueiro, a Nova República uma republiqueta latina incapaz sequer de ter um exército para se proteger e, em meros 30 anos, mais corrupta e incompetente que a Velha República... Basicamente qualquer pessoa que pense com o cérebro e não com a bunda vai concordar que, se era pra virar isso, melhor terem ficado com o Império, que ao menos garantia alguma ordem.

Essa idéia de decadência é tão estranha, os SJWs que agora dirigem a franquia não sabem contar histórias, não sabem lidar com os fãs, não sabem contratar roteiristas e diretores, ao invés de construírem algo pra dizer "Nossos heróis lutaram e morreram por um mundo melhor" deram um "Não adianta lutar, fica ainda pior!" mas todo mundo lá tá lutando. Pra quê se fica pior? Não faz sentido, não gera vontade de continuar acompanhando, não criaram nada para vc se importar.


Claro que o primeiro episódio de Star Wars (Uma Nova Esperança) foi uma jogada, então ele tem começo meio e fim, porque não sabiam sequer se faria sucesso. Mas O Império Contra-Ataca deu tudo, desenvolvimento, gancho, bom roteiro... Esse filme eu ainda não assisti nos cinemas, mas depois que assisti na Globo, numa Tela Quente totalmente aguardada, eu fiquei doido pensando em como tudo aquilo se revolveria... Hoje, não me importo tanto com Finn e Rose, tenho absolutamente nenhum interesse em Rey e Kylo, Poe é uma promessa que não vingou... Sério, apenas Dee Williams é algo que me faz ficar curioso com o próximo filme e a forma como ele vai ser destruído.

Sério, tudo que os SJWs põem a mão vira lixo.
 

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Te fazer odiar menos não contando coisas como:

Wedge Antilles sendo um personagem foda nos livros, virando líder do Rogue-squadron e caçando warlords imperias, e sempre dando ajuda na hora certa pros personagens centrais? Ou de quando ele, já lá pelos 50 anos pegou uma X-wing e solou um esquadrão de caças yuuzhan vong, ou que num dos planos dele num dos livros foi mostrado de dentro do planeta um bombardeio orbital feito por um dreadnaught classe executor e 2 destroiers imperiais? Ou de quando uma das filhas deles pilotou com ele no mesmo esquadrão?
Tem tbm o Pellaeon, o segundo em comando do Thrawn, e que era um oficial imperial muito competente, se torna o novo lider do império, e que chega até a trabalhar junto com Luke, Leia e Han mais de uma vez. E que é um dos responsáveis pela aliança entre o império e a nova república pra formação da Galactic Alliance.
Ou que o Luke se torna grão-mestre da ordem jedi, e vira o jedi mais poderoso da história de SW (coisa confirmada pelo próprio George Lucas), e que o filho dele com a Mara vai com ele durante um período de exílio nas regiões não exploradas da galáxia, onde os dois se aliam a uma tribo sith pra combater uma entidade maligna da força, e que o filho dele tem uma quedinha por uma garota sith.
Que os livros tem as maiores batalhas da história de SW, várias batalhas bem detalhadas e tensas, vistas muitas vezes de dentro do cockpit dos caças e naves dos protagonistas.
Que Jaina, Jacen e Anakin, filhos do Han e da Leia se tornam exemplos pra nova ordem jedi. Que o Han reconhece quando é a filha pilotando uma nave pelo fato da nave estar conseguindo fazer manobras que só ele e a filha conseguiriam realizar, e que o Han é um cara muito próximo da família, sendo até o herói de infância da filha.
Também que os relacionamentos entre Han e Leia e o entre Luke e Mara é tratado de uma forma mais natural e sem draminhas nivel trilogias prequel e sequel, e que o relacionamento entre a Jaia e o Jagged Fel não é algo forçado e nem com draminhas exagerados pra nível crepúsculo. Além disso as relações familíares da família Solo-Skywalker tbm são retratadas de uma forma natural, com momentos mais leves ou mais pesados dependendo do momento da história.
Que a própria Força através do Luke nomeia a Jaina como "the sword of the jedi" e que as vezes ela é meio que uma Obi-Wan da nova geração.
Que a Mara Jade se torna mestra da Jaina e do Anakin, e o Luke o mestre do Jacen, e que o Jacen se torna o segundo jedi mais poderoso da NJO, ficando atrás só do Luke, e que a queda do Jacen pro lado negro faz mais sentido do que a do Anakin Skywalker e a do Kylo Ren
Ou também que o Jacen se torna lider de um governo que inicia uma segunda guerra civil galática, que termina com o que é provavelmente o momento mais dramático da família Skywalker, o confronto dele contra a Jaina. E que o Jacen tem uma filha que acaba sendo adotada pelo Han e pela Leia.
Ah sim, e se eu te disser que uns 45 anos depois da batalha de Endor o império volta a ser uma dinastia, tendo um novo imperador, mas que dessa vez não é um imperador force user, e que esse império, a dinastia Fel, é quase certo de ter sangue Skywalker pelo fato do Jagged Fel, primeiro imperador dessa dinastia, ser casado com a Jaina ( os dois se casaram num dos livros em que ele já era lider do império mas não imperador, por falta de tempo para mais livros serem lançados por causa da compra pela Disney não chegou a ser confirmado que a Jaina era mãe do filho dele, que foi o segundo imperador da dinastia, mas pela família imperial ter force users era aceito pelos fãs que a Jaina era realmente a mãe), e que essa dinastia tinha os imperial knights, que era uma ordem jedi própria da dinastia Fel, que tinha uniformes padronizados legais, e sabres de luz iguais com "lâmina" prateada para demonstrar a unidade da ordem.

Pois é, e isso que resumi muito e que só toquei no pós ep 6, será que isso te faz gostar ainda menos do novo canon?:ksafado
Escrevi quase ao mesmo tempo que você.

Leia meu texto e me diz se o seu texto me faz gostar mais ou menos da Disney no comando?




Com esse story group ruim não vai rolar nenhuma criatividade decente, é tudo sem graça, sem sal e realmente, na parte dos filmes, é tudo fan service mal feito cheio de momentos copiados de forma barata. E como o texto diz, a tal promessa de "filmes diferentes" pros filmes fora da saga numerada nunca se afastou de coisas baseadas diretamente na trilogia numerada, puro fan service sem muita criatividade.
Sei lá, parece que eles literalmente escolheram as pessoas que menos conheciam da trama e do circulo emocional ao redor dela, para escreverem.

Como eu disse, todo mundo quer um final feliz para o herói. E foi o que tivemos em O Retorno dos Jedi, um final feliz. Aí esses retardados não quiseram começar dali (não falo de começarem no fim do filme, falo de pegarem o final feliz) e detruíram tudo pra... Não colocar nada no lugar.

Sério, bastaria colocar que a República tá um brinco, Léia e Luke até hoje são ovacionados, a galáxia é um lugar melhor graças aos que se sacrificaram pela volta da democracia e... em cima disso mostrar que a Primeira Ordem veio para acabar com tudo... Só isso já daria totalmente outro rumo pra trilogia.
 
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